Student's feeling of sadness at German Stalingrad soldier's grave sets off furor in Russia

Published by carolyn on Wed, 2017-11-22 11:28

By Carolyn Yeager

IN LIGHT OF MY PREVIOUS POST: Advice-giving White men who think Germans should get off their knees and stand up to the world again should actually be asking the rest of the world to lay off the “Nazis” instead. And do they? It's they, too, who won't stop contributing to the unfair defilement of Germany's past.

An illustration of this cropped up when a Russian high school student, part of a joint German-Russian school project on the fates of military prisoners on both sides in WWII, spoke in the German Bundestag last Sunday on the National Day of Mourning. There were three German students from Kassel and three Russian from Novy Urengoy (in Siberia). Above right: Sixteen-year-old Nikolai Desyatnichenko gives his short speech in the Bundestag on Sunday, Nov. 19.

With the German President, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, and many German cabinet ministers assembled, 16-year old Nikolai Desyatnichenko gave a two-and-a-half-minute speech about visiting a German military cemetery*, presumably in Siberia, and feeling “very sad” at the grave of a Wehrmacht soldier who was captured in the Battle of Stalingrad and later died in a prison camp. He said the soldiers buried there were mostly innocent people, many of whom had wanted to “live peacefully and not wage war.”

A Russian living in Germany recorded the remarks and published them in Russia, triggering an avalanche of indignation. On social media, some accused Desyatnichenko of treason for commiserating with a German soldier who was engaged in a “war of aggression.” To make matters worse, this month is also the 75th anniversary of the Soviet counteroffensive in Stalingrad which is celebrated in Russia.

Vladimir Zhirinovsky, leader of the right-wing populist LDPR, asked on Russian TV, "Who are these generous private sponsors?" of this school project. He wanted them examined. It happened to be the Russian energy giant Gazprom and its German partner Wintershall Holding, an oil and natural gas producer.

The boy's mother published a letter of explanation in the Russian media, saying her son wanted to speak about his war-veteran great-grandfather, but the speech had to be shortened because of time constraints. It was called a “misunderstanding.” His main message was a desire for peace in the world.

Finally, the Kremlin had to step in. Vladimir Putin's press spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, stated, "We believe it is wrong to accuse [Desyatnichenko] of evil intentions or Nazi propaganda.” Putin's human rights commissioner argued that "agitation and debasement" don't further patriotism.

As I see it, the excesses stem from the Russians making their "Great Patriotic War" a central part of the country's political culture and a key foundation of patriotic education in schools. Two years ago, the Duma enacted very strict laws as to what is allowed to be said and what isn't, making “Nazis” the ultimate and absolute enemy of the Russian people. This is a distortion of historical facts that will never cease to cause problems.

*German military cemeteries abroad are mostly the work of the private volunteer Volksbund or similar organizations, not the FRD or the Bundeswehr. I don't know about this one.

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But it can easily be ignored. It only displays the dirty, coersive tactics of the Jews and lefties, wherein political expression is only allowed to go in one direction.

It's incredible that they were allowed to do that. I can't imagine how hard should be to have a voice different of the politically correct in Germany.

Well, Fabio, someone has spoken up. On the Alternative fur Deutschland website, I found this (using Google Translate):

André Poggenburg: Observation of Björn Höcke - Elimination of the rule of law unsustainable

Magdeburg, 22 November 2017. The Thuringian AfD parliamentary group and state chairman Björn Höcke and his entire family were spied for months by a so-called artist group. To this André Poggenburg, AfD state and parliamentary leader in Saxony-Anhalt and AfD Federal Board, said today:

"What this self-proclaimed 'civil society constitutional protection' has done for ten months and obviously wants to continue, is nothing but a criminal and highly impudent act. Mielke and the Ministry of State Security would reverently bow to such a large-scale spying operation. Such a massive violation of personality rights toward Björn Höcke and his family is unbearable and means an erosion of our rule of law. In Germany it seems to have become normal to declare people who do not represent leftist political opinion as outlawed. Violence against dissenters, burning cars and smashed showwindows as in Magdeburg, Berlin, Leipzig Hamburg and countless other places or this incredible border crossing into the intimate private life of an AfD politician are the consequences of a sprawling left-wing extremism that is breaking ground in Germany. The personal rights of the individual are annulled by self-proclaimed guardians. This is unbearable and I expect that the police and the judiciary will immediately ensure that such fascist methods are finally stopped and that the offenses are also severely persecuted and punished. Likewise I expect of all political functionaries of the altar parties that they express themselves also publicly clearly against such conditions! I wish my Thuringian party friend Björn Höcke and his family the necessary strength, prudence and nerve to deal with these unbearable incidents. "

Almost totally agree, but the expression "that such fascist methods" I think it's unfortunate, because those methods are simply totalitarian, and in fact that came from the leftists.Building this mini-memorial as incredible as may seem, should suprise no one that knows that somebody that only questioning the holocaust can go to jail.

Yes, I agree, Fabio. The AfD politicians take pains to separate themselves from anything "third reich" but because it is actually criminalized in Germany, their party could be banned if they do not.

I support the AfD because they have been successful, and their rank and file keep selecting the best elements when any leadership disputes come up. Alexander Gauland is solid, as is Andre Poggenburg and Bjorn Hocke. All the other parties hate and fear them.

The pro-Russian crowd correctly points out that Russians are traditionalist, anti-liberal, anti-homo, macho types. The same applies - to an  even higher degree-  to Africans, Muslims, Neu-Guineans etc.. These are all primitive peoples of slaves ruled by despots like Putin or Mugabe. Russian Asiatic hordes have always being a threat to European civilisation - oligarchic Russia under KGB Putin is no different.

Russians are no "Asiatic hordes", they are eastern Europeans. As R1a Slavic people they are closer descendants of the original Aryans than Germans. Before communism the Russians were never a threat to European civilization. If traditionalism is a form of primitivity, then better be "primitive" than the "developed" degenerated West. If you call Putin a "despot", then how would you call Hitler ?
 
The Russian move to base their modern  identity on the "Great Patriotic War " is understandable in the light of the enormous number of victims (some 20 million) they suffered in WW II. It seems impossible to imagine for modern NS enthusiasts that Russians are not particularly enamoured with Nazism. Perhaps as "Untermenschen" they should have welcomed their invading destroyers ?

Just a few quick points, Franklin. The number of Russian dead is so high because the Commisars were throwing their (very dispensible) troops in frontal assaults on the German machine gun positions, where so many were mowed down but some got through. And many of these troops, especially in 1944, were Asiatics who were definitely not Aryan. Slavs may be "closer to Aryan" than Germans but they are definitely not as intelligent, as all IQ testing shows.

The Germans also lost close to 20 million of its people, many through outright murder.

It is not impossible for modern NS enthusiasts to imagine that Russians are not particularly enamoured with Nazism. It is quite easy, especially as Russians have been indoctrinated into those feelings for a long, long time, along with a natural national patriotism. But there are still some Nazis in Russia. What I am saying is that the reaction suppressed any kind of dialog.

You are taking the position that you prefer the European Union arrangement over any greater freedom in Germany/Austria and other Eastern European nations to allow their National Socialists the ability to express themselves politically. This is not democracy and I think you support democracy, don't you?

Germans must be allowed to stand up for their history and not have part of it criminalized. It was not Germans in 1945 to 1948 who wanted to criminalize the NSDAP, the SS, etc. but it was the hypocritical war victors, led by the Jews. This should be lifted and all Nationalists should push for it to be lifted.

I have no idea, Carolyn, who are these Nazis in Russia, Eastern Europe whom you mention. Russians are not nationalists, they are imperialists - big difference!
 
Every time the Ruskies are asked what historical figures they most admire three names always ccme up: Alexander Nevsky, Lenin and Stalin: all of them full blooded Asians.
 
Nevsky is the most revered saint in Russia and the  leader who  consolidated the Mongol-Tartar empire - he himself being one of them. 
 
An empire with  over three hundred mixed-up  ethnicities is anything but nationalist.

Gilson,

There are nationalist groups in Russia who like, support, follow a National Socialist philosophy and program. I didn't say they were pro-Hitler, but they are not anti-German NS either. These same groups exist in Ukraine, some Balkan countries and of course in the Baltics. I certainly never implied I meant the Russian Federation as a whole.

I guess a nationalist empire would be civic nationalism but I was not referring to that. You are a bit of an extremist when it comes to Russia - what is your major interest?

I've just bought and read Arthur Kemp's 2015 translation of 'Der Untermensch: The Underman', the 1942 SS publication which supposedly denigrates the Slavic peoples of the Soviet Union as 'untermenschen'.
 
Guess what: the book does no such thing. Read it, you'll see for yourself. The book attacks communism, and Jews, and while borrowing heavily from Lothrop Stoddard's classic, 'The Revolt Against Civilization: The Menace of the Underman' (1922), doesn't use the perjorative 'untermensch' term against the Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians... Instead, we find:
 
'Underman remains Underman and Jew remains Jews. No matter if they are known as Churchill, Roosevelt and La Guardia. They are all scum to us. They stand behind Stalin, the Number One Underman. They are his friends and allied brothers!'.
 
The book compares and contrasts the degradation of life under communism with the cultural achievements of, among others, the Turks (!), the Greeks (!), the Portugese (!) as well as the Germans, Croats, Danes, Dutch...
 
It contains some harrowing pictures of Russian, Baltic and other women weeping over their loved ones, who have been killed by the communists.
 
No wonder the occupying Allies ordered all copies of the book burned.
 
Really, Franklin, you've got these Nazis all wrong.
 
As for the 20 million: Walter Sanning puts the death toll at 19 million Soviet civilians, 13 million soldiers. Most of these people died because of Stalin.
 
Just as during the Russian Civil War, Soviet policy led to the death of millions of Soviet citizens - deaths which blamed on invading armies.
 
But this is natural. The communists and their sympathisers can't accept responsibility, as doing so would invalidate the entire Soviet project.

The communist regime of the URSS was the most criminal of the history of humanity, only taking into account the Holodomor on ukraine at the beginning of '30, the deaths accounts from six to ten millions !!!, and then there were the gulags, the purges...But the communist were part of the victors and wrote the history, so no matter what evidence you put on their face, they never recognize anything. Until the fall of the URSS they denied that the massacre of Katyn was perpetrated by the red army...

Decades of indoctrination and false history can make "miracles". Russians should know how Stalin was hated from his people, and how the germans were received as liberators in the initial phase of the war, while let the people open their churches. Russians should know too that Stalin massacred their own people through the 428 order, that created fake german units with uniforms stolen from dead soldiers, and perpetrated atrocities behind  the german lines to make them believe that the authors were germans, to create hatred to the "invader". And the list goes on and on...

Russia under Putin has sadly the same historical view on the WW2 as the USSR, so it's not surprising the laws dictated to glorify the victory and keep demonizing the "nazis" in the same way as the last 70 years.Don't know if such guidelines from Putin are due to pure and blind nationalism or has other motivations...

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