The Heretics' Hour: The White Network Progress Report

Published by carolyn on Tue, 2012-08-28 00:59

August 27, 2012

Carolyn Yeager and Tanstaafl share with listeners their assessment of the first three months of The White Network’s operations. They candidly discuss:

  • The program topics that each has developed, some bringing controversy;
  • Criticism within the movement – is it always damaging?
  • Problems at Voice of Reason network;
  • How should pro-White networks function?
  • The importance of the 14 words – putting more emphasis on our children;
  • William Pierce’s advice that we need to do more than just speak the truth – we need to fight;
  • How do we fight? Our past fighters and the possibilities of a White man’s ADL;
  • Instances of how the media labels and blames Whites that our folk should no longer fall for.

Image illustrates the myth of Sisyphus, who was punished by the Gods to roll an immense boulder up a hill, only to watch it roll down again and to repeat the action endlessly. Besides representing “Progress” it can also infer that our tasks as defenders of our White race are also endless and we should get used to that.


37 Responses

  1. Tanstaafl

    August 28, 2012 at 4:07 am

    There wasn’t time enough to mention this at the end, but I had previously expressed the opinion that: Brother Nathanael Kapner Gives me the Creeps.

    Long story short, Kapner dresses and acts like a clown, and as you pointed out in a comment: “If he were not a Jew, I believe no pro-white people would be interested in him … in fact they would be embarrassed by him. This Jewish convert business gets everyone excited, but we should remember the history of it.”

    It is analogous to the Tea Partier compulsion to put non-Whites up on stage. Whites want to compensate for the fact that non-Whites are not on our side, and really can’t be on our side, because of the continuous victimology propaganda blaming us for it. We’d like to absolve ourselves of our “racism” by seeking out aliens we can adopt as allies and praise. It is a fruitless, futile cause.

  1. EditorNEMW

    August 28, 2012 at 7:13 am

    Agreed, Tan. Brother Nathaniel sounds and acts just like what he is, a Jew. Whether he actually speaks the truth or not, his carnival/Halloween approach is more about his self-aggrandizement and making $$$$ via his showmanship than moving the Resistance forward. He and several other dubious characters are the reason I moved away from the Mark Glenn crowd. When I saw him and other “truthers’ and “patriots” starting to entertain guests that glibly used Nazi/fascist verbiage and avoiding the facts about NS Germany, it was obvious that they were playing to an audience that is willing to throw money their way and that they would do so at the expense of the much bigger issue, our slow genocide, which they were making a point of sweeping under the rug. Kapner in particular keeps pushing Russia and Putin as good guys. I don’t know, there hasn’t been any proof to me that they have truly thrown off their Jewish rulers, and the current trip back into Cold War politics over the Middle East seems more to me the excuse to get us into WW3 so the Jews can once again reduce the populations of people around the world that are on to their game. They culled the Russians, Germans, Eastern Europe, and as they obviously cannot keep the truth hidden forever, they must once again create a war so they have the mayhem and carnage needed to destroy the rising opposition.

  1. Carolyn

    August 28, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    We mentioned last night about the Edgar Steele case, and both Tan and I said we just couldn’t get involved in it. I said a lot of WN money had gone into it. Someone wrote this to me this morning, which I think is worth posting:

    Ed Steele lost his case because his defense, that he was framed with a fake audio recording in a conspiracy involving the ADL and the FBI and his longtime friend Fairfax, was ridiculous and false and was punched full of holes in the trial. That was obvious enough at the outset and all the money that was thrown away on hiring private lawyers for him was due to the irresponsibility and lack of reason in our current self-appointed White spokesmen who hopped on the alarmist conspiracy bandwagon.

    This person also said:

    Steele was not himself after his ruptured aorta. That happens all the time with cardiovascular surgery. Tiny bloodclots cause mini-strokes that can change somebody’s personality completely. There’s a recent case in the UK where a man was turned queer by a stroke.

    Instead of providing a voice of reason in the matter, people … grandstanded over it, which encouraged over $100,000 to be thrown away in a hopeless defense argument. [...] Where are the true leaders?

  1. Hadding

    August 28, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    I recognized reference to the opening scene of Hollywoodism but I think Hollywoodism itself probably overstates the derivation of the themes of western films from the Jewish experience. There was a real wild west with real outlaws and savages, after all.

  1. Konrad Rhodes

    August 29, 2012 at 3:01 am

    Dear thewhitenetwork,
    I’ve only recently, Dec. 2011, really had my eyes open and learned and been enlightened. I have been a Russian Orthodox Christian, a supporter of ethno-Nationalists in Eastern Europe, and ethnically conscious person or primarily German heritage for much of my life but I always was uncomfortable and just shut down over the race issue. I had read Mein Kampf many years ago and while I really enjoyed it and had a great deal of admiration for Hitler I let the Holocaust hoax infiltrate my mind, and I let the stories of “Eastern Front Genocide or Atrocities AKA ‘Shoah by bullets’” hold my mind and racial consciousness back after I realized the official holocaust story was a hoax! I did research on Reinhard Heydrich years ago and ultimately could not help admiring and even seeing the man as a hero! But it really has only been in the past months since listening to the Heretics Hour and then the White Network along with recordings of George Lincoln Rockwell and William Pierce and discovering the Big Lie that acts as a fog for the minds eye, metaphorically speaking – I hope I don’t sound looney here! I just want to thank you and say I am with you 100% and I am proud to be White and a National Socialist. The Crusade against Jewish Bolshevism is a fight that united White Europeans. The fight against the Jew whose father is the Devil must be the focus, ultimately. I tend to think that if a Jew rejects and condemns the Talmud and Zionism they can be worked with but this would have to mean total rejection and condemnation of their brethren who DO NOT reject these vile ideologies which are so inter-twined today that there is no way to extricate Zionism from Talmudic Jewish Supremacism. I think that Hitlers plan of teaching Jews to work and produce by actual manual labor and tilling of the soil while also giving a territory, Madagascar, and, later, during the war, to be in the far East, to them, which Stalin eventually did to a much smaller extent, was a good idea.
    As far as the heretic Kapner, and I say this with a certain sympathy, he does not represent Russian Orthodoxy in any way that I recognize. A monk of his level is to be humble and dead to the world and that means to be quiet and away from society living a hard, ascetic life of work and prayer. Ora et Labora. He is in a state that is well known to Orthodox monasticism that can roughly be translated as spiritual delusion. He is supposed to be dead to the world and totally devoted to God in prayer and labor, ascetic struggle, but instead is making videos and gossip. I wish he would stop and submit to an elder who could give him guidance. Promoting Putin is tempting geopolitically but Putin is no friend to White Nationalism. Listen to the interview, if it is ever available again, that Robert Stark did with Igor Artemis, a true Russian Nationalist. Putin is still the KGB man at heart and that is his identity. He does nothing to stop the non-whites coming into Moscow and Russia at large.
    Sorry for the long post!
    But Again Thank you Carolyn, Tanstaafl, and Hadding Scott!
    After muddling through sites online I have finally found a few brave souls who are not afraid to embrace fully and promote true White Nationalism and tell the whole truth!
    Avoiding the Holocaust and attempting separation from National Socialism through the devious tactic of calling yourself “New Right” while trying to place the swastika inside a pink triangle will not work, I, for one, don’t want it to work! and I am glad you dealt with this!
    Many Thanks!

  1. Konrad Rhodes

    August 29, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    just to comment on one point. VOR’s tangential subject matter to attract people not in the movement who are not yet racially conscious whites.
    I first found the Heretics Hour through VOR. However the only reason I found VOR was because of Fr.Matthew R. Johnson’s show “Orthodox Nationalist”. Naturally I looked at other programs on VOR and found the Heretics Hour.
    Would I still have had an ‘awakening’ without VOR and Fr.Matthew’s program there exposing me to other programs dedicated to White Nationalism and Revisionism. ???
    Apologies for injecting my own ideology in my ranting previous post. Admit it was a bit excessive.

  1. Carolyn

    August 29, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Hi Konrad,
    We have asked Matt Johnson if he would like to put his show on The White Network (if VOR doesn’t come back). We consider “The Orthodox Nationalist” to be about White interests. The programs I referred to on VOR that were not really about White interests didn’t include Johnson’s TON.

    While it’s true that people can learn new things by going from point A to point B, if point A doesn’t express our philosophy (and even contradicts it) we don’t want to support it on our network. I would like to think that when people are ready, they find what they need. According to that, you would have found The Heretics’ Hour along another route. And thanks, Konrad, for your previous post. It wasn’t ranting, nor excessive. Just right. :)

  1. Ulfric

    August 29, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    I really like Matt Johnson. His show was top notch. Right now it is the only reason I miss VoR.

  1. John Beattie

    August 29, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    Just in middle of your very first show. Fantastic. Must admit am sick to death of hearing jew jew jew most of the time on many so-called patriotic broadcasts. Surely people must realize that if we stick to building on White White White, a much better feel than jew jew jew. Exciting talks can be given for hours and hours without letting up on our White building blocks. The best sales are made promoting your own product and not yapping about the evil competition.

  1. Mary

    August 29, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    Another excellent broadcast with two of my fav WN folks, Tan and Carolyn :)

    Wonderful too to read of all the newcomers to this topic matter, and this site. Welcome!

    Ps: I noticed Counter Currents is taking in Robert Stark and perhaps other wanderers from VOR….be great to see the good ones land here.

  1. Carolyn

    August 30, 2012 at 12:56 am

    Thanks Mary. You always keep up with things, I’ll say that. Robert Stark has been working for Greg Johnson and CC for a long time already – giving them interviews whenever they wanted one. Interviewing all the queers. Yes, Robert is a real agreeable boy, always ready to serve. When someone asked in the comments if it were known why VoR closed down, Greg answered:

    We don’t know why. But I suspect that Mike Conner was feeling burned out by his workload and the witch’s brew of movement drama stirred up by Carolyn Yeager after she departed VoR.

    Oh yeah. Carolyn Yeager caused it. Well, Greg Johnson has called me “scum”, smearmonger, troll, has accused me of being a paid agent for ‘our enemies’ and having a ‘personality disorder.’ Now I’m a witch. But always from some sniper’s nest, never to me directly. And note he doesn’t say what this “movement drama” consists of. But then, he’s not a man so we shouldn’t expect it.

    One commenter said: “Please give a synopsis of the Carolyn Yeager debacle. I really liked Carolyn too.” There won’t be an answer to that … because there is no debacle and they can’t state any facts. I have the facts on my side

    Greg has only “suspicions” but I know what happened to Mike Conner and VoR even if Greggy doesn’t. Mike has NOT talked to him – good for Mike. I hope Mike Conner realizes now that he let those homosexuals take advantage of VoR … and he has only himself to blame. I guess I will have to tell the story on Saturday because this nasty sniping is not going to stop. These people are cowards. If they were men, they would accept the responsibility for their own failures.

    By the way, Mary, which are the good ones?

  1. Carolyn

    August 30, 2012 at 2:39 am

    It is analogous to the Tea Partier compulsion to put non-Whites up on stage.

    Oh boy, they are sure doing that at the Republican Party Convention in Tampa. It’s so obvious.

  1. Mary

    August 30, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Carolyn, I did indeed see the smears against you by Greg Johnson at CC , but I put that down to his obvious case of sour grapes after all your hard work of late in holding his feet to the fire. I didn’t realize he had called you “scum” and I cannot say I am surprised after the ass-kicking he got at VNN, haha…perhaps he needed someone to lash out after that?

    As for who I think the “good ones” are/were at VOR, well, I am not a great judge overall as it was mainly your good self I listened to there, but I will say I had the pleasure of meeting Paul Fromm at the Amren conference this spring and I really liked him. He was a breath of fresh air in a not-so-inspiring crowd, if you catch my drift …. ;)
    So when I said I hoped the good ones landed here, I meant that for your own judgement really.

    I would also like to say I really admire you Carolyn. You are seemingly fearless in your pursuit of truth and despite the criticisms leveled your way of late, I think your have done us all a great service via your persistence in bringing the consequences of the various ‘homosexual menaces’ in WN leadership roles to light, so again, thank you for your work.

  1. John

    August 30, 2012 at 9:32 pm


    You said one of your children’s Grandparents is a Jew? Please elaborate, thank you.

  1. Carolyn

    August 30, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Thanks again Mary, for your kindness. I always liked Paul Fromm (I used to tell Mike Conner that he was my favorite VOR host after myself, lol), though some Canadians have written to me saying he’s not always been on the up and up about the way he handles donations he takes in. No proof though, just stories. Money is always the temptation, isn’t it? Fromm wouldn’t come to tWn as that would set him apart from the rest. They all like the safety of the group, plus they basically agree with each other, not with me.

    We will have to find our own new voices … serious voices, because we are facing serious consequences. We have a new show in the preparation stage now. Tan posted a blog today alerting people of the opportunity here.

  1. Konrad Rhodes

    August 31, 2012 at 1:23 am

    Thank you for your kindness Carolyn!
    I was happy and surprised about FrMRJ being asked to come on board.
    I’m glad you see the value of having him here. Even if a listener dislikes Christianity in all forms for its most basic dogmas I think hearing one of the few truly Traditional Christian voices left speak with the authority of a clergyman and show forcefully that the liberalized and judaized Catholics and Protestants while a majority in the West, sadly, do not represent what was held to be true through most of history even by Protestants, look at Luther’s “The Jews and their Lies”.
    Also, not sure how or who could aid in a show about this, but when you had the show asking what would William Luther Pierce think of the state of White Nationalism today? I immediately thought, what would George Lincoln Rockwell say if he were here today? He was so honest, straight-forward, courageous, and optimistic. He was not going to compromise with evil one iota. His title, Commander, that fit him well! the kind of man you want to lead you in a battle.

  1. Hadding

    August 31, 2012 at 11:07 am

    MRJ’s response a couple of days ago was that he was expecting VOR to come back online and that he would not want to be on The White Network because he is not a racialist.

    He does a good show though, that I’ve generally found interesting although not being a Christian myself. He’s a “social nationalist” which is certainly in some way similar to being a national-socialist. A lot of the ideas that he espouses like the superiority of rural life were N-S doctrine.

  1. kilroy

    August 31, 2012 at 11:20 am

    I’ve been on a kind of three year odyssey through this far right internet subculture. I get such a kick out of it that I just can’t stop. And also I now can’t listen to mainstream radio without becoming nauseated. I really like all the people on VOR and now TWN because they are independent minded eccentrics with fascinating ideas.
    I generally like Johnson, Weber etc…but the air of political calculation leaves me a bit cold. In that respect I agree with Carolyn. As far as homosexuality goes I think that the fact that they can often be quite culturally creative can be attributed to the fact that they were persecuted neurotics. Again, I thank Carolyn for keeping up this tension. One of my favourite bands of late has been Death in June, which is apparently led by a homosexual. I consider this guy one of the greatest propaganda geniuses on the contemporary far right. The lyrics and symbols he uses are mind bending and unpredictable. This is the kind of enemy that the establishment does not want and therefore does nothing about. They want the skinhead/turner diaries stuff because it is predictable and of a low order artistically.
    The far right movement is far beyond Rockwell and Pierce, who to me seemed to be trying to replicate a cliched version of Nazism. Pierce’s revelling in violence is distasteful, even revolting to me. The far right as a whole now I would liken to a boiling ideological cauldron, about to produce something new and correct for the times in which we live. It requires all the talent that it can muster but also the tension created by straight talk and honest debate.
    P.S. Glad to know that everyone likes Matt Johnson. He is an invaluable source of knowledge about our culture. I’m not a full on Christian, but this was not our religion for two thousand years for no reason. “Beware the leaven of the pharisees, which is hypocrisy”, Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away” -Jesus

  1. Carolyn

    August 31, 2012 at 11:52 am

    BTW, Mary, just to be clear for the readers, Greg Johnson was calling Hadding those names on VNN Forum (in the Eric Hunt thread) and included me along with Hadding. Hadding and Greg were replying to one another, but I was not posting anything there and never have. Johnson just pulled me into it. And yes, it’s because he’s upset with me and wanted to link Hadding and me together in some kind of planned scheme to attack him. But both Hadding and I are independently examining his ideas and his own spoken and written words, not making up names and false intentions against him. Big difference that gets lost in the partisanship and is confused with lacking group loyalty (by people like Matt Parrott).

    Hadding is in the habit of taking “the truth” seriously. I believe that there is such a thing, even though so many like to say “truth” is relative and depends on a person’s perspective. But there are plenty of facts that determine whether something is true or not. Greg Johnson, from what I can see, does not find this appealing and prefers to rely on his own gift of wordcraft … and evasion when necessary.

  1. Hadding

    August 31, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    National-Socialism is not “far-right.”

  1. Lurker

    September 1, 2012 at 12:29 am

    The Roma seems to be the accepted term, dont see any harm in using it. Gypsy was a term that originated in Britain, based on the belief that they originated in Egypt. Whereas they came from India originally.

    Gypsies in Britain, while they have some Roma origins, really dont look like the east European Roma nowadays. I suppose being on an island they have interbred with the natives (us!) and been pretty separate from the continental Roma population for a long time.

    The east European Roma really do look Indian, not European at all (which they arent).

    Paradoxically the British based Gypsies are still fairly mobile, rarely settling anywhere permanently while the Roma are much more settled. Yet ethnically the Gypsies are more related to the British population while the Roma are obviously quite separate from Romanians or whoever.

  1. Lurker

    September 1, 2012 at 12:35 am

    The MSM in the UK are sometimes brave enough to talk about east European criminals or even Romanian criminals. That doesnt sound too PC does it? How very daring of them.

    But of course thats OK, they are talking about whites, OK to single them out. But, needless to say, its double talk. East European crime is often a media code word for Roma crime. But east Europeans and Romanians especially get to carry the blame while Roma are rarely singled out.

  1. Carolyn

    September 1, 2012 at 1:15 am

    From VNN Forum: Hadding Scott posted about the name Voice of Reason:

    I think Mike Connor got the idea for the name from my Undernet channel, which had the description and the topic: “Welcome to scientific racism: reason is on our side; let’s use it.”

    Hadding, Mike Connor didn’t name that network. He was not one of the original team.

  1. Carolyn

    September 1, 2012 at 1:20 am

    I question whether Counter-Currents has any business taking over the VOR archives and hosts so quickly. No one gave him permission. Is Greg Johnson trying to prove something?

  1. Etienne

    September 1, 2012 at 3:01 am

    Some of Carolyn’s interviews with Christine Miller etc are significant historical documents. I hope she recovers them or has copies. Mark Weber’s podcasts were important as well. You always have to consider back ups these days.

  1. michaelx

    September 1, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Wait what? The commentator who says Sicilians aren’t ‘real’ whites now reveals his own Jewish bloodline? Perhaps Carolyn can reveal who her Network considers true whites? At least give the rest a chance to team up with Jews (who at least discriminate equally).

  1. Carolyn

    September 1, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Etienne – All of my podcasts are archived at and have been ever since I debuted this current version of my website … thanks to Bill Finck. Even my guest spots – everything. And, of course, my website is always being backed up. Although some of the functions for getting to the later pages of podcasts are not working properly at this time, at least not for me. A result of the recent upgrade that is going to be addressed, soon I hope.

    If Christine Miller would download and learn to use Skype, I would have her as a guest again. On the other hand, if we got an 800 phone line, that would also work. As for Mark Weber’s podcasts, the guy was too lazy to copy them to the IHR site? … even though he promotes them as an important part of the “work” he does as IHR’s Director?

    I’m not convinced that any of these podcasts are “lost” anyway … they’re just not available to Greg Johnson, who wants to get his hands on them. Why do people immediately believe whatever someone says? Johnson was never a principal at VOR, only a guest.

  1. Carolyn

    September 1, 2012 at 10:26 am

    michaelx – The meaning of your comment is not clear to me at all. Who is the commentator? Reword in more direct language and resend your comment, and this one will be removed. If not, it will still be removed. We don’t tolerate trolls.

  1. The White Network Peanut Gallery

    September 1, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    @Hadding: Carolyn Yeager is right – nobody used your ideas for VOR, or even knew they (or you) existed.

    National Socialism is Far Right. However, you can ascribe whatever point along the political continuum to it that you want.

    @Tanstaafl: Did you get your non de plume from Robert Heinlein’s novel, “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress”?

  1. Tanstaafl

    September 1, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    The commentator who says Sicilians aren’t ‘real’ whites now reveals his own Jewish bloodline?

    I described my ancestry in the introductory podcast. My maternal grandfather was Sicilian.

  1. The White Network Peanut Gallery

    September 1, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Thank you, Tanstaafl, for answering the Heinlein question. It was right there all along and I just didn’t see it. But being a Robert Heinlein fan since the 1960′s, “There Ain’t No Such Thing As A Free Lunch!” should be known by all sci-fi fans of the Golden Age. Maybe one day you’ll do a show on Heinlein, since I hear he was kind of a proto-WN himself.

  1. Hadding Scott

    September 1, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    @The White Network Peanut Gallery

    Why are you spouting off pseudo-authoritatively at me? I guess that’s what a “peanut gallery” does.

    I don’t know the early history of VOR but if they started after 2002 they probably did know that I existed, since I wrote some noteworthy ADV shows in 2002-2003. Mike Conner knew that I existed because he visited my IRC channel #National-Socialism in 2005.

    Your assertion that national-socialism is far-right is just ignorant. N-S is a left-right synthesis. That’s not a matter of anybody’s personal whim; it’s a matter of where the movement’s roots lay and what it was trying to do. Sometime in the not too distant future I’ll probably be discussing my recent (soon to be published) translation of Gottfried Feder’s Manifesto with Carolyn, which makes this quite clear.

    Enough from the peanut gallery.

  1. Etienne

    September 1, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    If we hear of Mike Connor or Abe Foxman waking up with a horse’s head beside them, we will know who is behind it then.