The Heretics' Hour: A 2nd Conversation with Andre

Published by carolyn on Mon, 2013-02-11 19:19

Feb. 11, 2013

Andrew Anglin of Total Fascism answers questions about his written and spoken record of not so long ago that is seemingly very different from what he advocates today. He explains the progression from an anti-technology primitivism to authoritarian state government, and how his world-view has really not changed that much. Among topics covered:

  • With the present corporate system, technology can go out of control;
  • Free choice does not exist in reality;
  • Christianity – weak or strong? It all depends on how it’s presented;
  • How would Odinism be presented to the people and can it be;
  • Catholic caller thinks all anti-Christians are crypto-Jews;
  • Materialism is the bad – more spirituality the good;
  • What to do about the American Negro;
  • Pros and cons of Vegetarianism, with  surprising passion in its favor;
  • Hitler’s cooks, “food-tasters” and doctors;
  • The health benefits of a high protein/fat and low-carb diet is widely recognized.

Callers Mike Delaney and Bill from Ohio added to the program.


32 Responses

  1. Carl

    February 12, 2013 at 9:27 am

    I think there is plenty to admire about AA. Perhaps his thinking is a bit too naturalistic. But who has a perfect philosophy?

    As for diet, some people may be able to thrive in a vegetarian vein, but our digestive system has elements common to both herbivores and carnivores, so, we should just accept that. Animals are indeed horribly mistreated but when the world is sane, we will definitely be fixing that.

    I don’t recommend excessive concern with the other races. They would be incompetent if not for us. Even ceding a land mass won’t help them, because they’ll just trash that, too. Non-whites breeding among us are the logical equivalent to mice breeding in a veterinary clinic. They grow larger and more numerous, and imagine that it is something they are doing themselves. Soon they brandish scalpels and communicate with computers, and in time the clinic becomes unusable. We must concentrate on how we are going to organize and regroup. For the future, the best way to avoid entanglements with other races is to never let them have services in our areas, and, to have trade strictly as barter.

  1. Edward

    February 12, 2013 at 10:38 am

    Christianity is what Western Civilization is based upon, and has been our strength for the past Two-Thousand years. It has only been with the corruption, by the Jews, of true Christianity [...] and the removal of God from our schools and society, that the United States has become so very immoral and sick.

    Alo, how are we to preserve our race if we all decide to date Asian woman? I think this dude is bad for our cause.

    P.S. There is only one man the Jews hate more than the Adolf the Great, and that’s Jesus Christ, think about that. God Bless

  1. Carolyn

    February 12, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Edward – I don’t agree that Western civilization is based only on Christianity, but also upon the many pre-Christian cultures that Christianity was superimposed upon. This is one mistake Christians make which irritates non-Christians — insisting that all civilization is Christian.

    “This dude” Andre does not currently date Asian or any non-white women — don’t think he dates at all now. He wants to find a white woman and have a family. He doesn’t trust American white women so needs to travel abroad for that purpose. Well, maybe a good American white woman will show up for him, you never know. :-)

  1. Rodney

    February 12, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    This was a great interview, as was the first one. I however disagree with the idea that it is necessary to go off shore to find a white mate that is suitable and lady like. I also think it a little farfetched to say that all white women today are no longer feminine and thus asian women are superior in that catagory. This simply is not the case and may be more a reflection of limited circulation. I frankly find nothing more attractive than a georgeous Aryan woman who is strong and devoted to her children and culture. We should be ever mindful of “race-mixing lite”, i.e. the idea that mixing with asians or other “lite” non whites because they are a little more pleasing to the eyes is not quite as bad as mixing with a negroid or mestizo. Race-mixing with any non white has the same devistating effect on the white bloodline.

  1. Carl

    February 12, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    Yes, don’t sell our ladies short, please. I know they’ve been hit pretty hard with the brainwashing, but they still have terribly cute ways and they’ll be feminine the moment we’re masculine.

  1. Carl

    February 12, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    Also, today’s White woman knows that she is pretty much undefended. Femininity is a cultural luxury. White men have failed in the duty to guard the perimeter. These things are complicated.

  1. Carl

    February 12, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    Rodney I enjoy your web site. Perhaps you could reduce the width slightly at some point. Just a thought.

  1. Rodney

    February 13, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Carl, you are right most of the short comings with today’s white women in America are a result of the short comings of White men in America. There is an entire generation of White men in America who are overweight, still live at home at age 30, have poor hygiene, and whose sole objectives are are low skill jobs to fund their video games and the “net” habits, emphasis on habits. This is not very attractive to a Mate. This of course has been encouraged by Jew Culture. Thanks for enjoying my site, my sone is presently working on a completly new site that wil replace the present one.

  1. Hadding

    February 13, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    I have addressed previously the problem behind Andre’s confession of interest in East-Asian females. The problem is feminism and the successes of feminism, which have made it easy for a woman to do without a man, or to ditch a man if they are momentarily dissatisfied. A man wants to be a woman’s hero, and many American White women today have the attitude that they don’t need that. A man cannot be content with a woman who has the attitude that she doesn’t need him, and he certainly doesn’t feel secure with a woman that never stops comparison-shopping for a better deal. So a man often either stays single or somehow, somewhere he finds a woman that will be supportive an trustworthy rather than adversarial and unreliable.

    GirlWritesWhat – Why Men Aren’t Marrying

    Karah Oh – How (Not) to Emasculate a Man

  1. Rodney

    February 13, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    I think the problem goes far beyond just feminism. A large percent of White women do NOT subscribe to feminism. The problem(s) are multi-facited and began with liberal-marxist policies in the 1960′s. No Fault Divorce has been very destructive to the institution of marriage, economic and immigration policies that ended the ability of women to stay home and care for children, i.e mom and dad BOTH had to work, often 2 jobs just to keep their head above water. Feminism has played a part, but is NOT completely responsible nor is feminism responsible for White males that are simply lazy slobs, who refuse to grow up,and choose to race-mix based on baseless excuses. The fact is there are millions of eligible White females who are not feminists but will not tolerate a White male, and have children with them, that will not work, provide for his family and be responsible, i.e. be a Man. Feminism actually does not promote comparison shopping, quite the contrary, true feminism promotes women NOT marrying, having careers instead of husbands and children and at the end of their lives having no posterity. I have watched my wife have vicious arguments with liberal feminists and her expose their miserable lives and spirituall illness.

  1. Hadding

    February 13, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Whether most American women “subscribe to feminism” is less important than the fact that Feminism has changed the balance of power between men and women in general. Women in general are now competing for jobs against men in general, with the competition rigged in favor of women (and non-Whites) against White men. Women have tremendous advantages over men today.

    No Fault Divorce, to which I have already alluded, was supported by feminist organizations in 1969, and feminism has been part of the general leftist agenda of destruction. Ultimately of course it’s the Jews, plus other conscienceless plutocrats. I don’t know why Rodney thinks that these things are separate.

    The women that consider themselves feminists may not get involved with men at all but the multifaceted current reality that women don’t need men and can easily dump them, which has been implemented through feminism, affects society in general.

    The rich of course are somewhat insulated from the ramifications of feminism, just as they are insulated (in the short term) from the deleterious effects of free trade. Feminism and free trade both increase profits short-term but also aggravate the conditions of late capitalism: specifically feminism aggravates the oversupply of labor, lowering wages and putting a lot of people (especially White men, because of how competition for employment in the USA is rigged) out of work; the option for women to work, which feminism had demanded, becomes an obligation, because of the lowering of wages and the fact that bread-winning opportunities that once went to men have gone to women.

    We are several generations into the effects of that now. Broken marriages and weak or absent fathers are an immediate effect of feminism, which produces the subsequent effect of young men that don’t even have any clear, positive idea of what being a man means. If they attempt to fill that traditional role of the responsible male and find that the system is rigged against them in this endeavor, they might make a very rational, perhaps reluctant, decision to do something else.

    Economic collapse is a likely eventual result.

    GirlWritesWhat -Fempocalypse: how feminism will cause economic collapse

  1. Carolyn

    February 13, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    A man wants to be a woman’s hero, and many American White women today have the attitude that they don’t need that.

    This cannot be the fault of Feminism, but actually just the liberation of women from confinement by men. One of my problems during my teen years was that I could never look at a date (potential boyfriend) as above me and as someone who could do no wrong. I was too much of a thinking person, too critical, was far better read and surely had a higher IQ than most anyone I would have been going out with then. This really ruined my popularity with the boys I thought were the cute ones, but I was thankful for it later as God knows where I might have ended up.

    This was long before Feminism, and also among young men (who became older men) of my age group, there were that proportion that could not, or anyway did not, find a mate. This was at a time when just about everybody got married. But the idea that women have to absolutely need men for everything in their life is an unfair (and untenable) situation for females in order to make men happy. I don’t think what you keep putting forth is the real solution. The real solution is an understanding and acceptance of the need to preserve our race, as was in the Third Reich. Children have to be brought up in this, with respect for both sexes. I don’t see that among too many White Nationalists. In fact, you seem to think it’s alright for men to look to other races simply to satisfy their personal egos and fear of abandonment. However, marrying an Asian does not prevent that. We need to develop our racial solidarity. Men hanging out on forums that cater to complaining and blaming women sure doesn’t help the situation.

  1. Edward Allen

    February 13, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Hadding has a pretty good grasp on what is happening to white American’s, the posterity of the Western man that founded the United States. There’s a war being waged against us; those with the money and power are oppressing our people while at the same time brainwashing the negroes, and the non-white aliens that are flooding into our country to hate us.

    We are being displaced, while denied employment, entrance into schools of higher learning and even the military, all because we are white. We are being systematically crushed, unable to support a wife and start a family.

    The guy Rodney sounds like a Jew or a negro, and knows damn well why white people are the way they are today, we’ve been basically conquered by an alien people that hate us. The alien enemy that has seized power of America has demoralized our people to the point that many have given up and retreated from the societal abuse by using drugs and drinking.

    What true Americans are dealing with today, because of the Satanic Jew, is what Germany was going through up until, by the grace of God, Hitler came to power and for a short time remedied. Unfortunately for America, there is no Adolf the Great any where to be found. George Lincoln Rockwell, God rest his soul, tried to rally our people but was unable to garner enough of their support. I suppose things weren’t bad enough at the time for people to chance being called a racist or a NAZI.

    Today we have nothing to lose, and everything to gain, we must organize, appoint a leader and go on the offensive. Look at Farrakhan, and the “Nation of Islam”, can we not do better, or at least equal what they have accomplished?

  1. Rodney

    February 13, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    Carolyn….it has become far to easy for White men to look in the mirror and blame feminism because a age 35 or even 40, he have not had a lasting relationship, and have no children. The fact is feminism has been on the decline, something even they aknowledge. American White Nationalists can learn from the Third Reich regarding the roles of men and women and how women should be treated. The issue that has not been addressed is the fact that over indulgence in internet, video games, booze, and drugs has rendered many White males unable to properly interact with females. It is a fact that females mature before the male, thus when a 25 year old female rejects a 30 year old White male who still lives and acts as if he is in high school, the fault is not feminism.

  1. Carolyn

    February 13, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    Edward, even if this is true, what does it have to do with Feminism as a cultural agenda? Don’t get things all mixed up, and don’t call a white man who many people know, and whose photograph is available, a jew or negro just because he doesn’t say what you want to hear. Please. That is so rampant on other comment boards; I am not going to allow it here.

  1. Carolyn

    February 13, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    Gosh Rodney, you’re harder on the men than I am. But I can say that the WN cause is currently more in disarray than ever, so the female-bashing isn’t doing the trick. Following the program of the Third Reich sounds like a good idea to me. Hitler wasn’t able to implement his laws governing employment of men vs. women until he got into power, but the NS community was still getting it’s act together. Look at all the men that were a part of the SA. Some of them sacrificed their lives in that too. A real community has to be formed, of men AND women. I must say that William Pierce did not have a good opinion of women (except as servants), but Adolf Hitler did, in that he had true respect, beginning with his mother. It might be a German thing, do you think? I hope not.

  1. Carl

    February 13, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    In MK, Hitler was super-critical of the habits and condition of the German people, after years of Weimar and WWI. I’m sure AH would appreciate both Rodney and Hadding’s points.

    I think AH’s respect for women can be seen in his relationship with Eva, don’t you think? It would have been hard on her to have the children go through the ordeal of Hitler’s leadership. So he spared her that.

  1. Carl

    February 14, 2013 at 12:02 am

    I always counsel against taking inspiration from other races. But just to secure this point, wouldn’t the “nation of Islam” have had the support of the Jews? Wouldn’t their accomplishments be irrelevant?

  1. Edward Allen

    February 14, 2013 at 12:11 am

    I apologize to you Carolyn, and to Rodney. His comment, definetly does not represent what I’m listening to right now. Rodney on Spingola 2/14/2013. God Bless

  1. Armor

    February 14, 2013 at 12:14 am

    Rodney: “economic and immigration policies that ended the ability of women to stay home and care for children”

    Also, due to the atomization of society, women who stay at home may have less of a social life than their mothers used to have. If so, it is one more incentive to take a job.

    I think one thing preventing young people from marrying is the fact that so many of them spend a few years studying useless subjects in college. Feminists would prefer young women to study just like men instead of starting families. I think the administration has a feminist outlook and wants young people to waste their time in useless studies. If both men and women are encouraged to do so, then it isn’t really “feminism”. But I think it is a similar ideology. One of their goals is probably to bring down the white birth rate.

  1. Carolyn

    February 14, 2013 at 1:28 am

    Carl, are you joking about Adolf and Eva? That wasn’t the reason for no children. It was his decision for himself – have you ever read why? You should look it up. He didn’t believe in family dynasties, and said the children of great men are usually disappointments. They have psychological problems because of being unable to live up to their famous fathers. He didn’t want the German people to insist his son be their next Fuehrer. Things like that. He also said he didn’t have the time to spend with them to be a good father and it wouldn’t be fair to them. I don’t really know what Eva felt about it, but she accepted it.

  1. Carolyn

    February 14, 2013 at 1:36 am

    Accepted, Edward. You’re a gentleman.

  1. Carl

    February 14, 2013 at 1:53 am

    Oh! I was making a bit of a guess there. Sorry :)

  1. Victor Whitelaw

    February 14, 2013 at 3:14 am

    Re: Andre

    I fully expect to be ‘flamed’ and hated by all and to be banned from posting comments, however, as a genuine White National Socialist, long term listener and admirer of Carolyn I feel I am entitled to air my genuinely held beliefs and concerns.

    Andre does sound good on the audio recordings and most of the ideology he espouses is intrinsically sound apart from the appalling and outright shocking admission that he admires and is ‘attracted to’ Asian females. Personally, and I live in Sydney which resembles Hong Kong more by the day, I find them positively repulsive. They are sly (I never trust anyone who squints at me) pan faced, buck toothed, dead eyed, bandy legged, splay footed harpies whose whining voices sound like a catfight in a back alley.

    Perhaps, like the more testosterone rich and undiscerning young males found in any town, he merely observes their overtly sluttish behaviour, scanty clothing and giggling schoolgirl affectations and thinks with his little head rather than the larger one located on his shoulders. For some very sad reason these sallow skinned monkeys are now very much the fashion and greatly desired by desperate White males who, lacking the testicular fortitude, are unable to tame our White shrews.

    Here in Australia the blondest, bluest eyed Nordic archetypes are snapped up by the swaggering Arabic thugs (Lebanese Muslims are our equivalent to your Niggers) who seem to impress our youngest and most attractive girls with their brutish behaviour. Go figure.
    The general result is that the utterly emasculated and feminised neurotic Aussie male (yes folks, Crocodile Dundee is a sadly preposterous myth) is out of the hunt for his traditional prey and settles for ‘slops’ with the old mail order bride type of creature either shopped for during the now almost obligatory Asian holiday or picked up at some sleazy, low rent inner city disco while throwing down Red Bull and Vodkas after a handful of ecstasy pills and barely avoiding a strobe light induced epileptic fit before vomiting up a ‘pavement pizza’ in the gutter of some Chinatown alley stinking of urine and rotting vegetables .

    Andre though, judging from the photographs supplied, appears from his troubling physiognomy to be of Tartaric descent. The whitish complexion aside he has the typically brachiocephalic skull, full fleshy lips, broad, flattish nose and drooping eyelids one can encounter with great frequency in the lower socio-economic suburbs of any large Russian city.

    I am prepared to be proved incorrect in my assumptions but please, no ‘Crypto Jew’ accusations…

  1. Hadding

    February 14, 2013 at 3:35 am

    The criticism of feminism is not, as some would have it, just from men whining because they didn’t get what they wanted in life.

    I could post many videos of women stating very articulately the pervasive problems that have been caused by feminism. I posted a few links already. I guess some people just don’t look at them, or don’t listen to them, or can’t grasp what is being said.

    I got my first exposure to anti-feminism when I saw this woman on CSPAN in the late 1990a: Christina Hoff Sommers – The War Against Boys

    This is a very deep problem based on conflict between natural sexual psychology and the current unnatural relationship between men and women — which technology has made possible, and liberal policy has only aggravated rather than corrected.

    Anti-Feminism is becoming a huge phenomenon.

    An attitude toward the problem that could be summarized as, “I’m alright Jack. F-ck you!” is really unattractive, and unbefitting somebody that claims to be a nationalist.

  1. Carolyn

    February 14, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Victor – Regarding Andre’s physiognomy, I don’t think you can really judge from that not-very-good photograph. I had the same immediate reaction to it, which hurt his feelings a little because I came up with the word Mongol. But what do I know! To stop talk like this, he really should get a better-quality picture of himself to present publicly. According to him, he is mainly Irish-Welsh with a little German thrown in. I feel sure his family line would bear scrutiny.
    I think Andre is confident in himself and therefore just doesn’t concern himself much with how others perceive him. Maybe at this point he should, though.

  1. Carl

    February 14, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Victor is a great writer. I really enjoyed his various descriptions.

  1. Rodney

    February 14, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Carolyn, call my assessment “tough love”, but my wife makes the same assessment with much more toughness. She tells our sons all the time how important it is to be Men and our daughters how important it is to be Ladies, this includes dress and manners. I agree with you, WN is in trouble more because of WN itself and its gross mis-reading of history. I also think many look upon Mein Kampf as the only insight into Hitler’s thoughts, this is a mistake. Table Talk, which were his thoughts in 41-44, after several years in power shed a great deal of light into his thoughts on many subjects AFTER he had governed, as opposed to Mein Kampf, which I see as pure philosophy. He also discussed much more about te future in Table Talk, thus I tend to read BOTH Mein Kampf and Table Talk together. American White Nationalism also seems to take a very dark ags approach to women, which was NOT the case National Socialism. National Socialists were not fearful of strong women, whereas American White Nationalists seem to have approached women with the barefoot/in the kitchen mentality and in so doing driven women from any thought of White Nationlism. Again, this is NOT the fault of feminism. My outlook has the added benifit of being married for nearly 19 years to a Mate who shares my racial views and who has blessed me with 5 children and our marriage is not one of male superiority or paternalism and I do not view that as weakness, quite the opposite because we are so strong together I have been able to engage in my activism openly.

  1. Mike

    February 15, 2013 at 5:47 am

    Victor, maybe you should’ve taken a look at his article where he introduces himself and posted a good picture… is this white enough for you?

    Like carolyn said, I bad angle can make any southern or tanned european look like any kind of non-white out there.

  1. Carolyn

    February 15, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Much better than this picture is the short video by Mike Delaney from last Monday evening, right before he was a guest on this very program.

    Pausing this in a couple of places, I see a face that is very similar to the husband of a best friend of mine since 7th grade. His name was Dave Welsh (or was it spelled Welch?) … and his family were WELSH Catholics. That I am sure of. Andre told me he is mainly Welsh, then Irish, with a little English and a little German. So it all pans out.

  1. Wallace

    February 15, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    I seriously doubt (as the Papist caller accused) that Andrew is a ‘crypto-Jew’…

    But it is abundantly clear that he (like the vast majority of Westerners) has no idea what true Christianity really is!

    Jesus went willingly to His death not because He was ‘weak’ but because that was what He had to do to defeat the curse of death (trampling down death by death).

    By entering into death, death itself was destroyed because (Him being God incarnate) death could not hold Him.

    It seems also that Andrew (and many others) see Christianity only as a sort of unifying philosophy for White civilization rather than an absolute truth in reality.

    This is of course useless in the end.

    Unless a house is built on the foundational reality that Jesus Christ is the incarnate eternal Son of God, the builders of that house will toil in vain.

    As for the notion that Christian civilization is weak – look to the Eastern Roman, Byzantine empire which stood for over 1,000 years. It was the greatest civilization the world has ever seen! Literally.

    Saint (Emperor) Justinian decreed that Jews were excluded from governance or influence (see ‘Justinian code’).

    Jewish Synagogues were burned or closed and a Church was put in their place by renovation or construction. Christians who returned to paganism faced exile and the loss of testamentary (inheritance) rights.

    Jews were systematically excluded from governance or influence in society. A Jew could not practice law, or testify against a Christian. A Jew could not own a Christian slave or convert any slave to Judaism. If the slave of a Jew converted to Orthodox Christianity they would be legally freed.

    They were forbidden to celebrate their bastardized Pharisaic ‘passover’ before or at the time of Pascha (Easter, the real Passover). It was considered offensive even to see Jews on the streets during Easter.

    Their ‘religious’ writings were scrutinized and censored before they could be used at all. The Talmud was rightly considered blasphemous. No writings or prayers were allowed that could be interpreted as opposing the Nicene-Constantinopolitan doctrine of Trinitarianism or blaspheming Jesus Christ or His Holy mother.

    Greatest. Civilization. Ever.

    A civilization, I might add whose downfall only began after Constantinople was sacked by the Western Papist crusaders in the year 1204.

  1. Konrad Rhodes

    February 20, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Wallace,as an Orthodox Christian, I thank you for stating what you did. My Race comes first on this earth. This is not to contradict my Church/Faith but, frankly, when you look at the Orthodox Church it barely exists today other than in pockets almost totally separated from the mainstream and even among traditional nationalist people like Russians, Romanians, Ukrainians, Serbs, Greeks, etc. it just is not what it was, what you can read about in histories. The Russian Old Believers are, to my mind, a window into what the old world was before Modernity.
    But aside from this let us not forget why St.Ambrose excommunicated Emperor Theodosius. The truth about those years is, sadly, much more complicated than any general summary can convey though I do agree with your comments for the most part.
    BUT NOW, I can’t help but believe the only earthly salvation we can work for must be rooted in and devoted toward our White Race! and this is not against Greek nationalism, Russo Nationalism, German Nationalism, etc. but our Race crushing the head of the snake/Jew while reclaiming and exceeding its great past, I truly believe, will resolve or great aid in resolution of the chaos we see in our spirituality, in our Orthodoxy/Pravoslavnie
    Thank you for your time and I hope for all this provided a bit of insight into how and why someone with my beliefs is a proud Racist/Racialist and Anti-Jew AKA Anti-Semite.