The Heretics' Hour: Interview with Tom Metzger, Lone Wolf Advocate
May 13, 2013
Tom Metzger has been a respected, effective anti-immigration, White racialist activist since the 1960′s, and today, at age 75, is still at it. He earned the nickname “Terrible Tommie” because of his blunt talk and radical tactics. He has controversially moved to the Left over the years, to what he calls 3rd Position. Tanstaafl co-hosts this program with Carolyn. Discussion highlights include:
- How Tom inspired the Minuteman border patrol movement;
- When he turned down a big political career because he wouldn’t “go along to get along;”
- How our understanding of political left and right gets us confused;
- Leaderless resistance/ Lone Wolf activism vs. leader-run organizations ;
- The New Orlean’s Protocol: should violence be absolutely ruled out;
- The cartoons of A. Wyatt Mann.
Tom’s appearance was somewhat delayed because of a mistake in the phone number I sent him in the first email.
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Markus
May 14, 2013 at 3:09 am
Tom is spot on the socialist question. White Nationalists emphasize too much on the first part of National Socialism, and neglect or even hate the second part. A National Socialist combines both right and left and creates a fusion movement of both. Tom understands that NS Germany was more than separation from the Jew, it was also separation from classes and castes. The old royalist Germany Nationalism benefitted mostly the rich and preferred royal Germans, while the worker and farmer had no reason to be proud of being German, as he didn’t benefit. If Hitler was only a Nationalist, he could have reinstalled the monarchy as part of revising the dictate of Versailles.
The Communists offer a controlled opposition to the Nationalistic Capitalism phenomenon, and that is International Marxism. There are many potential National Socialists among the Marxists, just as there are many among the Libertarians. Hitler understood this and socialized the classes and parties into one mega operation.
Tom is also right on the non-Aryan Whites!
WWS
May 14, 2013 at 11:43 am
Agree with Markus, but one place where Tom’s verbiage can confuse folks is his continual usage of the term “capitalism” as a primary problem without mentioning the jewish connection to capitalism at the very same time. It must appear to some that he misses this salient point.
When this happens in my company, I will invariably remind him of the jew’s relationship with both communism and capitalism, and every other major problem we have, which I believe is undeniable.
First things first!
Once the jew problem is resolved, then the treason of the traitor elites can be taken up without the mis-directing manipulation of the jew destroying this absolutely essential task; and to defeat the jew we must determine those weaknesses in our own selves which empower him. In this, I believe our greatest strength — creativity — is used against us.
Wolf Wall Street
Carolyn
May 14, 2013 at 12:20 pm
I can just as well say that Tom has become a socialist who now neglects the nationalism part. According to his own words, the young leftists to whom he talks go along with everything … except the white racialist part. This did not come up as an issue in Germany as it does in the U.S. Tom is basically accepting multiculturalism to fight the Elites (as he calls them, not Jews), hoping that the non-whites will eventually want to return to their own lands. I have zero faith that that will happen. He’s counting on some kind of world revolution – a very Left idea.
What comes to my mind today is that anarchist who claims he’s some kind of nationalist — Keith Preston — who had a program on Voice of Reason for awhile and who I did not like. It is all class warfare with these people – race is not as important.
Tom contradicted himself several times. It’s because his basic position is untenable that he has to nimbly jump around to avoid being trapped by his own spoken words. He tells you he defines the word differently, and other devices. You do the same, Markus. When one sees White Christians as a greater enemy than Jews (as so many say they do), one has really driven off the road. That is an indefensible position.
I’m sure this will all come up on Saturday with Bruce Campbell (unfortunately). And I admire both Tom and Bruce — smart, hardworking white men, both. And tough, which I like.
And I guess you believe there are Aryan non-Whites!
Carolyn
May 14, 2013 at 12:42 pm
I agree with this. I thought to suggest this coming Saturday that if it were possible to eliminate the Jew from this society, then the picture of White society that would emerge would be totally different than it is now. The Jew is the Distorter.
Tom Metzger
May 14, 2013 at 1:04 pm
First for a united front we must decide race or conspiracy.Adopting Jew as a race position is simplistic but can fire people up like Hitler did but even he admitted Jews are not a race.He took the Jew race shortcut and screwed the pooch.Fighting as a race employs narrow tactics but short run gains. As a conspiracy they can be fought far more effectively.
WWS
May 14, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Carolyn ~ Maybe this analogy of one aspect will make things clearer for you:
It’s not that black chattel slaves in the Old South worked better or cheaper (both of which are questionable) than the White working class back then, it’s simply that the black slaves disempowered those Whites. Those working class Whites were a threat to the elites, at least in the eyes of those elites.
Slavery empowers elites, not the working class!
WWS
Joe Northpal
May 14, 2013 at 4:45 pm
The more I hear from this man, the more I understand the failures of any white nationalist movements.
His lack of historical knowledge (particularly Russia), his moronic “lone wolf” and tribalism nonsense is hysterical and defeatist. His willingness to align with jews and any other “leftist” reactionary groups “Occupy movement” is so insane I can only attribute it to his age. His class warfare is a lack of understanding power and privilege, particularly who grants it.
He is typical of a defeated man grabbing at straws blaming so-called Christianity or so-called rich as the failures to his world view.
Brian
May 14, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Tom Metzger is by far the best voice for our people out there. He is not new in this game. He’s a great, honest man and I’m honored to have been listening to him for about 2 years now. I’m 19 and turn all my friends and family to Metzger/Fourth Position.
http://www.resist.com
SD
May 14, 2013 at 9:19 pm
I wanted to repost this comment I left at Age-Of-Treason. I’ll download the audio in a bit.
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I used to listen to Metzger’s radio show seven or eight years ago. He’s a straight-talker. He never wasted time on personality disputes. And he gave credit where credit is due. I learned about Bob Mathews from one of Metzger’s speeches. Now there was a man who gave his life by taking the fight to the enemy. And nobody but Metzger paid him any lip-service.
Tom is an exceptional white man. I like to think that when our race makes a comeback he’ll get praise for keeping a dim light going in our darkest hour.
10,000 hearts one beat…
Carolyn
May 14, 2013 at 10:58 pm
Tom – When did Hitler say that Jews are not a race? Can you give me the exact source? Many times he said Jews were a race rather than a religion.
I know you think Hitler screwed up. I really wonder how you would have succeeded in that situation.
P.S. I wanted to ask you and didn’t — Do you think of yourself as a White Supremacist? You are constantly called that. Is there a label you would be comfortable with?
David
May 15, 2013 at 12:02 am
Tom Metzger is a liability to the Nationalist Community and one of the reasons there is NO movement. Truth Militia will not be missed and next to go is Renegade. Both are/were populated with people more interested in infighting than going after the enemy. Hitler UNITED Germany, upper and lower classes, Christians and pagans, Communists and Nationalists. Metzger and his ilk should just come right out and say they work for the Jews and the FBI for pushing their “lone Wolf” anti-populist malarky!!!
Franklin Ryckaert
May 15, 2013 at 1:35 am
It is not entirely clear from this interview where Mr. Metzger stands in the race issue. His standpoint seems to be : first class, then race. He rightly observes that we have the problem of a treasonous white elite, cooperating with the Jews against ordinary Whites. He is also right that throughout history white elites never have cared much for their white subjects. But his “solution” seems to be an international, multi-racial class struggle against the white elite. That is not WN at all! The fascist ideal is a racially homogeneous society that functions as an organic whole, i.e. in which the classes cooperate with each other instead of fight each other.In NS Germany and in fascist Italy it worked.
The treasonous white elite should be replaced with a white elite loyal to their own people. In this struggle we don’t need “allies” from non-Whites, let alone from socalled “good” Jews.
Hadding
May 15, 2013 at 2:15 am
The orthodox National-Socialist position on the racial basis of Jewry was this:
Tom Metzger
May 15, 2013 at 9:06 am
No White separatist that I know ever called themselves a White supremicist. The term is a Jew created term that the Jew think press always use.
My source for the Jew race comment by Hitler was from what is called his National Socialist table talk.Now if that is false information it joins much of what the reactionary right have also created out of whole cloth.
Some of the latest DNA-GENE research agrees that the Jews are not from a common ancestry. Their conspiratorial success stem from worming their way into the true racial gene pools. They keep the common origin myth alive to keep other conspirators in line and keep the right wing in spending money.
http://forward.com/articles/175912/jews-a-race-genetic-theory-comes-under-fierce-atta/?p=all [url added by Carolyn]
Those that criticize LONE WOLF and Tom Metzger are those that never use their own names.How ironic. By the way DR. Duke is being invited to limp wristed TEA PARTY GROUPS to speak so why is it bad for me to dialogue with young White people on the left? By the way you NATIONAL CAPITALISTS OUT THEIR what is it about national SOCIALIST that you don’t you understand?
Carolyn
May 15, 2013 at 10:50 am
WWS – Alright, I am re-writing my reply to your comment from 2013/05/14 at 3:28 pm. I understand now you’re trying to explain why the ‘elites’ are flooding the U.S. with non-whites — it is to weaken the White majority so it cannot resist. I have understood this for some time – there is no argument there. But this is no reason to promote a working class division with the industrial/professional management class. It does need to be made clear to all White people in the U.S. the reason for unrestrained immigration of non-White people is White displacement. Agitating hatred of elite Whites by working-class Whites, and teaching us to be guilty about the deeds of our race only increases our willingness to be destroyed.
WWS
May 15, 2013 at 12:42 pm
“…no reason to promote a working class division with the industrial/professional management class.” ~ Carolyn
Who’s doing that? Working class more accurately here means productive class, which is inclusive of those you mention above — but definitely does not include evil elite parasites who are the true divisive manipulators, be they jews or traitorous non-Aryan white (or other) jewthinkers. The real wealth producers, and those who develop and inspire them, are the true volk.
“But his “solution” seems to be an international, multi-racial class struggle against the white elite. That is not WN at all! The fascist ideal is a racially homogeneous society that functions as an organic whole, i.e. in which the classes cooperate with each other instead of fight each other. In NS Germany and in fascist Italy it worked.” …
“The treasonous white elite should be replaced with a white elite loyal to their own people. In this struggle we don’t need “allies” from non-Whites, let alone from socalled “good” Jews.” ~ Franklin Ryckaert
You are wrong in the supposition of your first paragraph above. Possibly a re-thinking of the word “ally” will assist, although probably not completely.
The concept of common interest is better suited. This means not aligning forces or co-ordinating activities, but rather to imply “go for it” in the knowledge that ‘we’ will not interfere.
WWS
Hadding
May 15, 2013 at 7:50 pm
WWS is not Tom Metzger. WWS used to do a Talkshoe show with Metzger as frequent guest.
Fallout Shelter 7
May 15, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Excellent show Carolyn.More Tom Metzger please.
Mary
May 15, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Carolyn, you don’t need to post this comment at all, but I have listened to them both carefully and there is no way they are the same person. I think WWS is just a real Tom Metzger fan, and is why he talks so much like him, but they don’t have the same voice. You may want to reconsider accusing them of that.
On this show, Tom is WWS’s guest!!! There is NO way they are the same guy.
http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=85857&cmd=tc
Carolyn
May 15, 2013 at 11:55 pm
Okay, I am told by several people that TM and WWS cannot be the same person as, for one thing, they have been on the same shows together, so I am removing my comment. But it’s funny how “hearing” varies between people. They sure sound alike to me and I have been wondering about it for some time already. Sorry if I sounded “accusing.” I only meant to express what seemed an obvious connundrum to me.
Thanks everyone, for your input.
Edward
May 16, 2013 at 10:15 pm
I have been a supporter of the White network but after continuous abuse and disrespect through either editing my comments or refusing to post them, I no longer am a supporter, and I will do everything in my power to destroy this anti-American, anti-White, anti-Bill of Rights front for the JEWS. You’re scum and have been found out.
Hadding
May 17, 2013 at 12:57 am
An objection that I have to the Leaderless Resistance theory is that people generally need social incentives and pressures to keep them active and focused in any effort. This is why schools exist. Leave people to themselves and a much smaller number will think of something worth doing and then do it.
Also, I don’t see the need for Leaderless Resistance so long as people allowed into an organization are committed to strictly legal activities. It is true that illegal activities and organization make a very bad mix.
Tom Metzger
May 17, 2013 at 8:33 am
Intro by Carolyn: This comment was placed by Tom Metzger, but not written by him. It is written to him [TT=terrible tommie] by someone whose name is not given. It is completely anonymous as presented here. Since it took me a little time to figure that out, I thought this intro was necessary. I’m only posting something presented in this manner because Tom was the guest on the program and deserves to be heard in reference to it.
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Hey TT, I knew if I listened to that Carolyn Yeager interview it was going to piss me off but I listened anyway and guess what?….It pissed me off!. There is just way too many things to go over point by point so I just chose a few of the most galling. First up you hear her several times put down the leaderless resistance model saying such things as “then you don’t know if people are doing anything” That’s the whole point of leaderless resistance, that’s the protection it offers. No one knows what others are doing so Conspiracy cases become impossible to prosecute and Informants become useless. Its true that some might hide behind that and be doing nothing at all but the alternative is the group model which has failed time and time again. I wished you would have asked her to name an organization out there that is operating successfully, growing in power and free from Informants with a stable financial footing. She would not have been able to do it because the simple fact is that none exist at least not now. I couldn’t help but notice how she kept putting down the leaderless model but yet never at any time during the interview did she offer an alternative.
The next thing that was particularity annoying was her denunciation of “class warfare” this reveals her to be squarely stuck in the old right wing mindset. Class warfare has always existed ever since man has been separated into distinct social classes, class warfare has been there. Its not a “Communist” thing as she alleges it was around long before Communist doctrine was thought out and put to paper and by the way NO true Communist government has ever existed on this planet! Where is all this financial aid that wealthy elite whites are bestowing on Racialist groups? You noticed when you asked her for an example the only one she could think of was the IHR money fiasco and that was from the 1980′s over 30 years ago!!! If you have to go back over 30 years to come up with an example of wealthy whites offering financial support for our cause then that’s pathetic! White racialist groups are all over the internet and lets be honest if any wealthy whites really wanted to help all they have to do is pick a group and start sending checks, its that easy and yet it hasn’t happened. The reason it hasn’t happened is because wealthy elite whites don’t dislike this current system because they are thriving in it, they don’t want it to change because they might lose their fortunes in the process. Can you imagine a wealthy white industrialist faced with having to lose his minimum wage Mud infested workforce and having to pay a pure white workforce a decent livable wage for their labor? How many of them does she really believe are going to support that? and if they don’t support that then aren’t they the enemy of our race?
The final point I’ll address, although believe me I could go on will be the ole Jews have all the control argument she makes. While I agree that Jews do have a lot of control over key aspects of both our governments and our Industry we have to remember that overall in population Jews are a vast minority. That means that they simply CANNOT exercise the control that they do without the full cooperation of White traitors and especially when we talk of Industry and high offices within national governments most of those White traitors are Elitists.
As I said I could go on and on What really annoyed me most about her was as critical as she was I never once heard her offer any alternatives, did you? Nothing but criticism, if she has better, brighter ideas then lets hear them! and where is this “Racial right wing” she kept talking about as if its separate from the regular right wing. Does she not realize that every Tea party group out there is filled with evangelical Christians who fully support the state of Israel? Would she deny that Christians of any type are worshiping a Religion derived directly from Judaism? How can you possibly do that and be anti-Jew without being a complete idiot? Its a simple Historical fact that Christianity is not the religion of our ancestors. If you are of European decent then your ancestors were converted to Christianity at the point of a sword and the threat of being tortured and burned alive. Christianity is an alien religion from a place from removed from our homelands. Its Historical fact that Christianity like Islam is directly derived from Judaism so how can you possibly name Jews as an enemy as you fully embrace and support a religion directly derived from theirs? The whole old testament of the bible is an alleged history and law of the Jewish people!
This has been long enough so I won’t go on suffice it to say I’m not a fan of Carolyn Yeagers. All I heard from her was the same old worn out right wing arguments. However I did like whoever her co-host was, he seemed much more intelligent and able to see the logic and reason behind your arguments. Sorry for the long rant…I think I’m feeling better now…lol
Tanstaafl
May 17, 2013 at 4:21 pm
What’s being called left and right here is more literally bottom-up (populist) versus top-down (elitist). In any case, neither approach precludes the other, and both are subordinate to an overarching, overriding understanding of racial common interest.
Likewise organized versus leaderless resistance. Here, by design, disjoint sets of Whites must pursue separate paths. But rather than seeing one as the right way and the other wrong, those who share the same overarching collective racial interests can find inspiration in the deeds of those working toward the same end, by any path.
The jews are the jews – a unique group distinct from Whites both biologically and ideologically. They view Whites not only as an Other, but as The Other. Whites are the central villain in their narrative, a narrative they have collectively collaborated – left and right, top to bottom – to propagandize and weaponize. Whatever their other crimes, from a White perspective there is none greater than this.
Anthony Lynch
May 18, 2013 at 3:19 am
To determine whether jews are a “race”, first requires clarification on what connotation of “race” we are using. George Lincoln Rockwell of the American Nazi Party believed jews are a race, and I have to agree. In the sense that “race” is defined as “ancestral” or genetic it is self evident that jews have a common ancestry of semitic origin based on their physical characteristics behavioral and psychological traits, as well as predisposition to diseases such as Tay sacs. However, it’s also clear that *many Jews have become racial mongerels by misegenation. I believe Professor Kevin MacDonald explains this dilema very astutely by viewing the Jewish people as an onion with many layers. The racial core remains cohesive while the outer layers are encouraged to mix and infiltrate into larger white society. In the end all layers work to the same end. They never deviate from the saying “whats good for the jews”.
Carolyn
May 18, 2013 at 9:37 am
Edward – I have every right to edit comments (by removing objectionable portions) and every right to refuse to post them (if too much editing is required). This is not a public bulletin board, nor should people abuse this space by using it to advertise their own websites on it via posting redundant short comments. Get real, Edward – you’re not brilliant.
There are other comments I don’t approve, not just yours. I wrote here previously that I would no longer be taking the time to send personal emails explaining to people why I’m not approving their comment.
Alexander from Flanders
May 18, 2013 at 7:25 pm
I too think that Nationalism can only work with Socialism. It’s too bad that alot of Americans don’t understand REAL Socialism. They often seem to think that it’s the same as communism or something like that.
Here in Europe more and more so called nationalistic parties (the typical anti immigration parties) call themselves “Social Parties of the people” (or something like that). And as far as I know every racial (radical) party, from the Golden Dawn, Jobbik, NPD and other similar groups, openly combine their nationalism with Socialism.
Alexander from Flanders
May 18, 2013 at 7:47 pm
I also want to comment on “class warfare”.
The super rich have always betrayed and used the common people. All through history. The ones that did stand up for the underclass are a tini tiny minority, and usually (if not always) do not belong to the super rich elite.
I do know of people with money (who don’t need to work anymore) that support nationalistic parties in Europe. I don’t know if there are many of them, but they do exist. But you can’t deny that the bulk of the support comes from regular working class people. At least that’s what I see at the moment.
Bill
May 19, 2013 at 9:01 pm
I enjoyed listening to this podcast & that has been the case for all the programs I heard that Carolyn has done. She has great guests & the programs are very informative. Some comments here are overly harsh towards Caryln in regards to her treatment of TT (Terrible Tommy). I heard an interesting respectful discourse. I suspect TT does not think he was treated harshly.
TT has been around a long time & it took him (like most of us) years to get to where he is now. Carolyn Yeager is fairly new to the cause & has evolved much faster than most. Most of what appeared to be strong disagreements were mainly examples of confusion involving terms & labels. Then there was some confusion from Caryln as to just where TT stands on some crucial issues since TT & some of his positions are new to her.
I think that given more time & some more conversations (I hope she has TT on again soon) Carolyn & TT will end up being even closer on the important issues than they already are once both of them fully understand each other.
I understand that Christianity is the foundation of most of the destructive propaganda the enemy aims at our people & that if not for our folk being infected with Christ Insanity we would not be on the path to racial suicide. It is a masochistic suicidal anti-White religion & the main reasons we can’t awaken more of our folk is due to their being infected with Christianity. That is why Christianity is far more of a threat than Islam. Our people are infected with Christianity not Islam & it is the enemy within that is the greater threat.
Islam would be NO threat if not for our folk being infected with Christ Insanity (Jew worship/Jewish propaganda). Yes in Europe they have a far bigger Muslim problem than here & they must more harshly deal with Muslims but they would not have the Muslim problem if they were not infected with Christ insanity. It is Jews & White race traitor elites that are flooding Europe with non-Whites & thus it is wise to go after the source (roots) of a problem rather than attacking the symptoms (branches).
Anthony Lynch
May 20, 2013 at 4:29 pm
I think I understand what TM means by “jews are a conspiracy”. For example, if I see Heidi Klum with her black child, and a bumper sticker on her car reads “diversity is our strength”, I can for all intent and purpose say she is “jewish”. Although she is racially European with Nordic ancestry, she is OPERATIONALLY jewish. I think in this sense TM is correct that jews are a conspiracy, however, it can be confusing to say flatly that jews “are not a race”. It would be better to say something like… jews are BOTH a race AND ALSO a conspiracy which can include racially ignorant shabboz goyum, who advance jewish interests out of either ignorance greed or both.
Edward
May20, 2013 at 9:33 pm
As brilliant as you Carolyn? I may have made a mistake to right off the White Network, but you must understand this is war, this is not a game. Our race depends on brilliant decisions, that you have concluded I lack. How you have come to your conclusion of me based on one or two comments is beyond me, and very elitist; no different than any other. I will continue to listen, and monitor your site, but not until I’m convinced the White Network deserves my promotion will I once again endorse you and your message, God Bless.
John McGhee
My 20, 2013 at 10:14 pm
Best quote concerning Tom was by Dr. Pierce…
“Metzger, that dam bolschvik”..
Dana
May 20, 2013 at 10:39 pm
I don’t understand the need to completely edit out my comments which are relevant to what is being said. I’m not a troll here to bash the site or cause any problems, it seems people have an issue with disagreement and would rather block out any information that conflicts with their own worldview, which in the end may not be the most effective against the enemy.
As far as Jews being a race – although Ashkenazis are related to each other (after having sucked a tremendous amount of German and European blood), one cannot call Jews anything other than a parasite, a mindset/ideology/cultural belief system based on blood but having been hybrids from the onset. They have intermixed with every race on the planet, so they cannot be considered a race.
Carolyn
May 20, 2013 at 11:20 pm
Dana, the problem was not disagreement, but the length of your “comment,” which was really an essay. It was not SO relevant to the program, but was YOUR position on every topic discussed. Gets to be too much. This one is much better.
There are times I allow long comments, but usually when it is the guest, or someone who was brought up on the show and deserves the right to answer for their self.
Carolyn
May 20, 2013 at 11:26 pm
Hey Edward – I agree it’s a war. My problem with some of your posts is the repetitive promotion of a Christian solution. While I don’t want Christian-bashing here, I also don’t want Christian propaganda.