Saturday Afternoon: MacDonald and Tanstaafl on Auster and Jewish Influence

Published by carolyn on Sat, 2013-03-16 11:39

March 16, 2013

Prof. Kevin MacDonald, author of the famous trilogy on Jewish evolutionary strategy, and Blogger Tanstaafl of Age of Treason have both written about Jewish-turned-Christian Blogger Lawrence Auster (recent photo shown at right) and been written about by him in return. Look here for Tanstaafl.  In this program they consider:

  • Why Auster is someone worth writing about;
  • Comparing Auster to an Alan Dershowitz;
  • Jewish ethnocentricity as a biological trait or imperative vs an ideology;
  • How approval for the term “the Other” changes whether used by Jews or Whites;
  • Why Jews are so anti-White;
  • Can we afford to have Jews in White nations if we want them to remain White;
  • How to get over fear of being called names;
  • Dilemma of young, white males in today’s multicultural society;
  • And a few more things, too.

Calls from Rick, Stuart, Patty and Rodney added to the program in the 2nd hour. Carolyn apologizes for her telephone foible and for missing the program’s ending … again.


31 Responses

  1. Hadding

    March 16, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    As I recall, where I’ve invoked evolutionary psychology is as an alternative explanation for the kind of formal conspiracy represented by the Protocols. Jews generally end up engaged in similar behavior in diverse regions mainly because they start with the same hereditary dispositions. One can make the same observation about Negroes.

    Of course, with the ability to reason comes a greater potential for adapting the fundamental tendencies. Auster’s use of the rattlesnake to represent how evolutionary psychology views the Jews is unfair because rattlesnakes have very little ability to adapt. Auster was insinuating that MacDonald viewed Jews as subhuman.

    That said, one might ask whether those Jews that persist in their established ways to the point of killing their host really do show much more adaptability than a rattlesnake. Richard Nixon, in one of his conversations with Billy Graham, said that the Jews collectively seemed to have a death-wish because of their inflexible hostility toward conservative politicians. I suspect that the rattlesnake simile occurred to Auster because that is how this fateful, seemingly out-of-control behavior appears to him.

    Ultimately a change in Jewish behavior toward us will most likely result not from any call to reason such as Henry Ford advocated, but from the necessity of changed circumstances.

  1. Phil

    March 16, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    Auster was insinuating that MacDonald viewed Jews as subhuman.”

    Ha! I can post more than a few quotes from Jews, including rabbis, as well as from the Talmud that don’t beat around the bush one bit, that directly state that non-Jews are subhuman, little more than beaats to be exploited and killed according to the whims of Jews.


  1. Phil

    March 16, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    Here are some:

    “The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts.”
    Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b

    “The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honour the the dog more than the non-Jew.”
    Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30

    “Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therefore he will be served by animals in human form.”
    Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855

    “A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal.”
    Coschen hamischpat 405

    “The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs.”
    Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b

    “Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human.”
    Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b

    more here:

    I’m sure some Talmudic ‘scholar’ would try to convince us that’s not really what those bigoted anti-gentile passages really mean. Yeah sure, rabbi, whatever you say.


  1. Mike

    March 17, 2013 at 1:33 am

    The first hour was particularly powerful, as it leads to the basic understanding that ‘Jewish rights’, are antithetical to ‘majority rights’ wherever Jews are. In Judaism, a non-Jewish majority has no rights; certainly not over Jews, and this is fully inherited by Liberalism, which is just secular Judaism for gentiles.

    And generally speaking nothing can be 100% down to genetics. There is always a correlation to environment playing a role for genetic expression (polygenic inheritance); behavioral geneticists take such correlations into account, so not I’m sure why would anyone believe that its all down to genetics. Also, it would be interesting to find out the levels of oxytocin, which is associated with ethnocentrism, in the Jewish population in relation to the White population.

  1. Nemeth

    March 17, 2013 at 3:04 am

    @ Phil
    “We will learn today that only a Jew has a divine soul, a divine spirit.” – Scene from “Flipping Out – Israel’s Drug Generation” where ex IDF soldiers are being taught about Judaism.

  1. Hadding

    March 17, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Apparently I misunderstood something. Auster himself never actually uses the word rattlesnake to characterize how Professor MacDonald views Jews. What he says is that MacDonald regards “Jews as compelled by the deterministic genetic forces of Darwinian evolution to seek to destroy white gentile societies.”

    About what it would take to get Jews to change their behavior, Auster says this: “I argue that if the white gentile majority re-assumed its historic role as leader and adult in our society, and told the Jews in a firm yet civilized way that their anti-majoritarian statements and agenda are totally unaccepable, the Jews, being rational people, would get the message and change their behavior.” In other words, Auster is saying that Jews won’t change their behavior as a matter of foresight; like spoiled children, they will only accept correction when it is forced on them, according to Auster.

    That part about “the Jews, being rational people” is doubtful. The Jews are in fact a paranoid people with delusions of grandeur. Their Holocaust rumor is anything but reasonable, likewise the behavior that it engenders. Even in the scenario that Auster describes, where the White population “told the Jews in a firm yet civilized way” that they can’t do whatever they want to do anymore, it is hard to imagine Jews not strenuously resisting this, invoking lies like the Holocaust to fuel the collective tantrum.

  1. Armor

    March 17, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Hadding: “Ultimately a change in Jewish behavior toward us will most likely result not from any call to reason such as Henry Ford advocated, but from the necessity of changed circumstances.”

    The necessity of changed circumstances will eventually make the Jews listen to reason…

    I know this isn’t the topic but the same is true for White people: at some point, they will start listening to the logical arguments of White Nationalists due to changed circumstances. It is often claimed that logical arguments don’t work, that White Nationalists have kept failing for several decades and need to review their tactics if they are serious about reaching people. In fact, they may not have to change anything. Tactics that didn’t work in the past may start to work from now on, due to changed circumstances: Internet, and the fact that White people are more and more under siege.

  1. Carolyn

    March 17, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Hadding – In this article on Occidental Observer in 2010, MacDonald quoted Auster thusly:

    Now Auster has taken to calling me an “exterminationist anti-Semite,” again with the aim of drawing boundaries for acceptable discourse and again without much of an argument:

    Since Kevin MacDonald sees the Jews as a group that are genetically determined by Darwinian evolution to subvert and destroy white gentile societies wherever they encounter them, in the same way that rattlesnakes are genetically determined to sink their venomous fangs into the flesh of mammals wherever they encounter them, we must conclude that he doesn’t want Jews to exist in America and Europe. Further, as I explain here with regard to MacDonald’s recent article at Alternative Right, it is clear that he doesn’t want Jews to exist in Israel either. So MacDonald doesn’t want Jews to exist anywhere.

    If anyone has a reasonable interpretation of MacDonald other than that he is an exterminationist anti-Semite, I’d like to hear it.

    Do you think that is not direct enough?

  1. Michael

    March 17, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Another wonderful show. Lets keep it going. Happy St Patricks day to all.

  1. Hadding

    March 17, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    Okay, thanks for that Carolyn. Last night when I decided to get more detail about what Auster says (since I don’t normally pay any attention to such people) I had difficulty locating the rattlesnake simile on Auster’s blog but I’ve found it now.

  1. Weichseler

    March 17, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    This was a very informative discussion, one of the best that I’ve heard in quite a while, in fact. The insight and racial savvy of Kmac and Tan are exceptional, as are their abilities to articulate them. It would be great to hear them talk again in the future.

  1. katana

    March 18, 2013 at 7:20 am

    Another good discussion by all concerned.

    In particular I was impressed by Tan’s sharp comments.

    Tan brought up the thorny issue of his wife’s father being jewish and as such he would voluntarily exclude his family from a White enthno-state. The willingness to state such a view is a very White kind of sacrifice to make, even if it is just hypothetical for now.

    In practical terms any White ethno-state would have a more nuanced policy based not only on ‘purity of race’ but also on contribution to the White cause. Tan and family would be more than welcome, if I were King! (Provisions apply)

    The degree that the evil nature of jews towards humanity is genetic or not is academic. They are destroying, killing us one way or the other, through lies via their stranglehold over the media.

    It’s all about jews controlling how we think about jews. The masters of deceit.

  1. j

    March 18, 2013 at 8:25 am

    Here is a new term invented by a Jew and which I have never before heard of.
    Of course it is just as absurd as accusing the German people of having had a policy to exterminate Jews. If Jews are going to attempt to introduce a word into the language that only suits their ethno-centric agenda, then they should be confronted by another word. EXCLUSIONIST. This word implies a society and culture where Jews are excluded. Why should Whites have anyone around who wants to destroy them?

  1. Carolyn

    March 18, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    To Hadding: Amazing, isn’t it? That such Jews (and “intellectual” Jews, too, of the “better variety”) can say this:

    let us not underestimate the mind-rotting effects of anti-Semitism.

    I am inclined to believe that one those two options is true, rather than that McDonald is an exterminationist anti-Semite, if only to give the man the benefit of the doubt that he is not a total monster.

    One is a total monster if one does not want Jews living and having influence in White society. We need to confront this kind of thinking head on.

  1. Franklin Ryckaert

    March 18, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    The reason why Jews equate exclusion with extermination is that as typical parasites they cannot live without an host-population, hence exclusion literally means extermination to them. If that were not the case they all would have emigrated to Israel. Most Jews however prefer to live among the cursed Goyim, even if that entails the ever present danger of “anti-Semitism”. Israel itself is a parasitical state that cannot survive without financial, militairy and political help from abroad, mostly obtained by extorsion by Jewish lobbies in the diaspora. To condemn Jews to stand on their own feet would mean an end to their parasitical existence, hence their furious indignation at the suggestion thereof. Auster’s reaction is simply “normal” for a parasite.

  1. Carolyn

    March 18, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    I made this point on the program, Franklin, but it’s good to make it over and over again. This actually proves their parasitism, doesn’t it.

  1. Hadding

    March 18, 2013 at 11:34 pm

    That word exterminationist, so far as I know, was coined by historical revisionists to refer to people who insist that Hitler’s government really did intend to kill all the Jews rather than merely deport them from Europe after using their labor for the war-effort.

    Auster is probably deliberately trying to change the meaning of the word. I remember when the movie Wag the Dog (1997) came out: the common saying had been that the Israeli tail wags the American dog, but this very Jewish movie tried to give the expression a totally different meaning.

    It seems to be a deliberate tactic: to destroy some of our convenient expressions so that it’s harder to discuss the things to which they refer.

  1. Fred Wilson

    March 19, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    This Lawrence Auster seems to be a 5th Column interloper. The jws sense the growing Pro-White Cause and they want to hijack it, in the same way the NeoCons (jws again) hijacked the conservative movement and the Republican Party.

    I think we should beware of more of these interlopers attempting to commandeer the White Cause. Ones that will dissemble even more than this Auster.

    We need a policy of total exclusion, NO JEWS WITHIN THE WHITE CAUSE !

  1. Fred Wilson

    March 19, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    “It seems to be a deliberate tactic: to destroy some of our convenient expressions so that it’s harder to discuss the things to which they refer.”

    REALLY ?

    “The limits of my speech are the limits of my thoughts”
    “The limits of my language mean the limits of my world”

    Sure, the jws are going to use jewspeak to control the dialog and manipulate the course of discussion. They always have.

    Integration, diversity, multi-culturalism, tolerance, nation of immigrants etc.

  1. Fred Wilson

    March 19, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Tans makes some very cuttingly incisive comments, like “The search for the good jw is fruitless”, “we as adults aren’t even where the jws are in 5th grade , when it comes to knowing who is the in-group and the out-group”

    Always good to hear Kevin MacDonald, such a noble man. He brings a lot of insights to the White Issue.

    Carolyn makes a good moderator, she lets the guests run with their ideas .

    The program is worth a second listen.

  1. John McGhee

    March 20, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    Emil Maurice:

    After Himmler had become Reichsführer-SS, Maurice fell afoul of Himmler’s racial purity rules for SS officers, when he had to submit details of his family history before he was allowed to marry in 1935.[3] All SS officers had to prove racial purity back to 1750, and it turned out that Maurice had Jewish ancestry – Charles Maurice Schwartzenberger (1805–1896), the founder of Thalia Theater in Hamburg, was his great-grandfather. Himmler, who had always been jealous of Hitler’s close friends from the early days of the Party, and especially of the lack of control he had over Hitler’s inner bodyguards, was delighted.

    He recommended that Maurice be expelled from the SS, along with other members of his family. To Himmler’s annoyance however, the Führer stood by his old friend. In a secret letter written on 31 August 1935, Hitler compelled Himmler to make an exception for Maurice and his brothers, who were informally declared “Honorary Aryans” and allowed to stay in the SS. Despite his Jewish ancestry, Maurice was first and foremost a loyal companion to Hitler.

  1. Fred Wilson

    March 21, 2013 at 8:45 am

    “. Despite his Jewish ancestry, Maurice was first and foremost a loyal companion to Hitler.”

    Hitler was far too soft on jws, that is why he lost the war.

    He allowed jws like Dr. Morell and Erhard Milch to exercise their bumbling will and ruin both his and Germany’s future.

    Morell was injecting Hitler with Methamphetamine and telling Hitler they were vitamin injections (typical of a jw to lie).

    Milch was constantly ordering changes to Luftwaffe aircraft designs and in consequence the engineers were never able to increase production rates. Germany fell far short of its ability to produce aircraft, thanks to Milch.

    What jws can’t ruin by intent , they ruin by bumbling.

  1. Carolyn

    March 21, 2013 at 10:12 am

    To Fred Wilson – You are wrong about “why Hitler lost the war.” Talk about oversimplification!
    You are wrong about Morell and Milch too; you are passing on rumors that have come to have the status of fact for many misguided people. Just what are your credentials, anyway?

    UPDATE: Since you keep insisting on your misinformation [a further comment that I did not approve], using less than really credible sources (David Irving for one), I should add that my main objections are that Hitler knew what Morell was giving him and didn’t care because it worked. Do you think Morell would dare to lie to ‘the Chief’ about what he was injecting into him??? His head would soon be gone! People like you love to portray Hitler as a fool and decrepit figure in the end. But you won’t do it here.
    My objection to your portrayal of Milch is that those more in the know than you, know that the differences between Milch and Messerschmitt and other aircraft producers was not as you make it out. Goering always supported Milch and that’s why he kept his job. Milch had a difficult and rather thankless task, but was a loyal Wehrmacht/Luftwaffe officer of high rank.
    As far as I’m concerned, Fred Wilson, you are welcome to take your comments somewhere else. I’m not impressed with them.

  1. kilroy

    March 21, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    As much as I respect the courageous professor MacDonald, I have to agree with the deranged caller who came on in the second hour. To regard the biblical high priest Aaron as a historical personage with an intact bloodline coming down through Jews today is completely ludicrous. It is as if the historical critical study of the bible and “biblical archaeology” (i.e. there isn’t any) never happened. The cohanim study cited was financed by a jewish billionaire and is generally just laughed at.

    The fact that many ancient kings and peoples converted to judaism in ancient times is well attested to by historians and is well documented. What we call the jews are an artificial race bred out of many populations. They are descendants of people who happened to enjoy the yeshiva lifestyle begun by the Pharisees in Jesus’ time. Over the millenia they coalesced into a distinctive racial group.

    The belief that the people in your local synagogue are ‘descendants of the people that wrote the bible’ accounts for a lot of the particular mystique they have acquired among the superstitious.

    That said, MacDonald is generally my favourite guest on these programs.

  1. Alexander from Flanders

    March 21, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    This show was very energetic. I must say that I had never heard of this Auster guy, but I know the type. They are worse than the openly anti-White jews. Sadly enough White people often elavate these creatures as if we need jewish permission to save our race. Very strange.

    On a sadder note I just want to mention:

    Two weeks ago a young German nationalist by the name of Daniël Siefert was killed by turks (near the town of Bremen). The gouverment did not allow his comrades to hold a march. The reason: they did not want to provoke the turks.

    The place were people left cards and candles to honour Daniël was trashed by foreign scum.

    RIP Daniël Siefert

  1. Carolyn

    March 22, 2013 at 1:31 am

    Alexander – Has anyone been charged or arrested for his death?

    Thanks for telling us about it.

  1. Hadding

    March 22, 2013 at 3:07 am

    It is as if the historical critical study of the bible and “biblical archaeology” (i.e. there isn’t any) never happened.

    Actually there is a publication called Biblical Archeology Review. That publication contains many findings that are disappointing for anyone that wants to take the Bible literally. From BAR I learned that there was no mass-exodus from Egypt (because the Egyptians’ records don’t reflect any such event) and it is impossible that Solomon or David ruled at Jerusalem because Jerusalem essentially didn’t exist before the 6th century BC. The Old Testament is utterly unreliable as history.

    I view MacDonald’s apparent failure to take note of this as a consequence of ancient history and archaeology not being his field of expertise. He’s a psychologist, and a psychologist need not concern himself with whether the Torah is literally accurate in order to learn something from it about the Jewish psyche.

  1. Alexander from Flanders

    March 22, 2013 at 8:10 pm


    This is all the info I have:

    Daniël (aged 25 years young) was targeted because he was a Nationialst. The attackers were described as “a group of turks” (I believe there were 5 of them). They attacted him from behind, and when he was unconscious on the grond they kept attacking him. Two of the turks involved did it as some sort of an initiation (I hope this is the right word) to become a member of a criminal gang.

    Five attackers were arrested, but most of them are already released. Like usual.

    The family of Daniël is under police protection because they were threatened by local turks. Even the funeral took place under police protection.

    Some of his comrades will hold a demonstration today (23-03-2013) in the town of Kirchweyehe (were Daniël lived and was killed). It is organized by “Die Rechte”.

    Here you can find info (in German) with updates and pictures of Daniël Siefert:

    Here is a video of 20 minutes (German speech).

  1. Diavola

    March 27, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    Excellent show. The chemistry of the three of you is just fantastic. Many important points intelligently presented and discussed. This is one show I will implore others to download and listen.

  1. Bruce Graeme

    March 30, 2013 at 5:28 am

    I sometimes wonder what could have been Lawrence Auster (as arch-Zionist !), was so fascinated by Jesus Christ?

    I cannot entirely rule out the possibility that he was influenced by Ouspensky: an entire chapter of “A New Model of the Universe” was devoted to the study of the New Testament.

    And also influenced by Maurice Nicoll, one of the disciples of George Gurdjieff, who wrote “The New Man: An Interpretation of Some Parables and Miracles of Christ”

  1. Carolyn

    March 31, 2013 at 2:12 am