Saturday Afternoon: White Nationalism, Eurasianism, and the future of Europe

Published by carolyn on Sat, 2014-04-12 12:48

April 12, 2014

Map of Eurasia for Eurasian Political Movement - Oct. 10, 2012 (click to enlarge)

Carolyn questions whether White Nationalism “worldwide” can work, then points to various reports that show Putin is no friend of White Nationalists, followed by a look at Eurasianism and what it means to the West. Some highlights:


30 Responses

  1. Carolyn

    April 12, 2014 at 9:35 pm

    Dear Gweit,

    I’m not interested in a bunch of long, selected quotes from you. That is not a comment. If you have something to say, then try again. But please don’t waste my time.

  1. endzog

    April 13, 2014 at 8:21 am


    A lot of us would rather not have to campaign on the issue of white nationalism but when your race is being genocided it sort of makes everything else seem secondary and all other long-planned studies fade away. You have the capacity to see the wood for the trees which is really important to the ongoing debate and progress of the movement so while it may be tiresome to lay aside other work your talents are needed for the struggle.

    The whole Putin thing is a wake-up call to propagandists of the danger of short-terminism in supporting people who are really our enemies (and Jew-owned enemies at that) simply because they kick the Jew next door, or bothering to support other race’s problems. Only white people seem to have the capacity to worry about others in that way and it is never in my experience reciprocated. However, had it not been for this Ukraine blow-up we would never have realized how seriously deadly Putin and Russia are to the white race.

    As to Europe it is really very simple. Italians should be resident in Italy, Germans in Germany, and eastern Europeans in eastern Europe, that way we preserve real diversity. And in that context we accept the Sicilians as brothers as long as they remain in Sicily despite their historic race-mixing with Arabs. And there is no need for any division between Nordics and Slavs if they are not in each others faces. It does not mean that we don’t see ourselves collectivly as a race with some imperfections here and there, but inter-ethnic national segregation as a general principle is rational and healthy.

    Jobbick is an enemy of the white race and the European parties like GD, BNP, NF if they are worth anything need to publically call that out to their supporters (note to Paul) and refuse to work with them or give them any support. Quite the opposite, everything should be done to hinder them, undermine them and support real white nationalists in Hungary.

    A genuinly-motivated white nationalist website however lacking will always be worth more than a huge ego-generated, populist Alexi-ranking grabber with no real roots or core philosphy or a debatably white base.

  1. Goldstein

    April 13, 2014 at 10:01 am

    We in Europe are literally surrounded on all fronts by our enemies: As if The globalist plutocratic elites flooding our homelands with turdwordlers were not enough, we have now the mongrel-mongol-turkic hordes that are organizing their anti-European front under the banner of Eurasianism, headed by the far-right hungarian Turanic Jobbik and the new Gengis Khan Putin. What else to say???

  1. Carolyn

    April 13, 2014 at 10:10 am

    A genuinly-motivated white nationalist website however lacking will always be worth more than a huge ego-generated, populist Alexi-ranking grabber with no real roots or core philosphy or a debatably white base.

    As of yesterday, The White Network’s Alexa ranking was 201,000, which is very very good for a radio network website. No other network matches us, that I know of.

  1. endzog

    April 13, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    Of course I was not referring to your site which deserves to be at number one but endzog which is at 387,916.

  1. Carolyn

    April 13, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    That’s just about where is, endzog. We’ll shake hands on that!

    I do believe if I allowed comments there, my ranking would be higher. The comments are a big part of the high traffic to Daily Stormer. If you don’t mind my saying, I think the white on black small type (text) is a hindrance to reading your site. At least, I know the comments text can be made larger on WordPress. You might give that a try. I was reading some just now and had to get closer to my screen.

  1. endzog

    April 13, 2014 at 2:01 pm

    Thanks for the advice Carolyn, my engineer is coming this week and I will ask him to fix it. As to comments my site is v badly designed by WordPress in that area though I’m not particularily bothered with comments on that site anyway.

    Real quality does not need to concern with rankings and you are the top WN site on the planet without a single rival. I’m sure like me your only concern with rankings is as a measure of whether people are listening and not some sort of bragging competition. Also it gives one some respect and dignity at least in my case when the last two WN ranking lists by Stormer and Prothink, who are both well aware of my existance deliberatly left me out. In fact Prothink’s recent video countdown almost forgot to include you which infuriated me. While my rankings are rising Prothinks are falling.

    I think what gets Stormer rankings is shock-horror-nig-crime which is also the secret of Stormfront + Stormer’s here and there sprinklings of soft-porn. There are a lot of boozy, overweight pot-smoking armchair white nationalists who seem to get a voyeristic kick out of reading the intimate details of endless black crimes which I very rarely do unless there is some particular political aspect.

    If you left that and the comments out, Stormer imo, which I believe has no real fixed message or direction, is just the new WN Alex Jones. I had great hopes for it and now I regard it as a dangerous, confusing distraction for our people and find it painful to visit.

  1. John Beattie

    April 13, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    We have always agreed that patriotism is key. Using the term White Patriotism makes it clear as to blood & soil. The word Patriotism should make it obvious that National pride is key to White survival.
    Using the White Patriot term must replace White Nationalist, and all will be well……in the long run.

  1. Markus

    April 13, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    Thank Odin, the Eurasian Movement is called out now.

    I have no desire to be part of the Caucasian (Caucasus-Asians) Über-State led by Vlad and his buddies.

    Many of the Central-European nations relied on German Protection for centuries. From Burgaria to Finland. Since the Third Power has been absorbed by the British-Russian alliance, they are looking for a new Saint Alleman. Turkey and Russia comes to mind, since the British-American dominance on our continent turned out to be a total disaster.

    What was France thinking, not allying with Germany to invade Russia? I guess pure jealousy that the 100 mio Germans vs the 50 mio French were finally to be the righteous dominant group in Europe. German also used to be lingua franca all over Central-East Europe, which is now replaced by English and not French.

    France, Spain and Britain ought to look out for their (former) empires, while Germany and Italy ought to dominate the continent itself. Germany in the Centrum and East, Italy in the South.

    All other constellations are unnatural and against our collective interests.

  1. Carolyn

    April 13, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    John Beattie, I have to say …. that makes a lot of sense to me. Unless White Patriot is taken to mean a patriot who just happens to be White. Then it would not.

  1. Carolyn

    April 13, 2014 at 9:22 pm

    Re my program segment on Andrew Anglin and his “Apology for Putin”:

    Today I read his latest “Stormin Sunday” (not much to read, mostly pictures) and came across this at the end:

    “I urge all to read my final apology for Vladimir Putin, as I think it clears up any misunderstandings about my position which may have existed. And I honestly don’t see anything there that anyone can really disagree with.”

    I found the last part somewhere between hilarious and maddening. I started to compose a comment there that went like this: What “how to bullshit school” have you been attending, Andrew, or does it just come naturally? What you wrote was designed in such a way that you hoped no one could disagree with it. That, of course, is exactly what’s wrong with it! You don’t fool the truly intelligent with such tactics, only the blind followers who will slurp up and say “Delicious” to whatever you dish out.

    But then I decided I should not comment there anymore and I would post my comment here at tWn. It is really amazing that someone can believe he can get away with such obvious foolery. Earlier in his post he wrote in defense of himself:

    I used to be an anarchist. Now I am a nationalist.

    Anarchist, eh? That’s a new term he’s using for his former self. At one time he would have said he changed into a Fascist or National-Socialist. But now it’s just “nationalist.” Thus he can fit into Putin’s style of nationalism. Andre, the ideological shape-shifter.

    It’s going to be interesting to watch how this person’s downfall plays out – it seems inevitable.

  1. jimhardpeka

    April 13, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    A lot of White Nationalists knock Eurasianism, but I believe that Eurasianism is by far the most viable option that White people have for the preservation of our Race. Eurasia is a huge land mass and could someday be a new Aryan Homeland. We may have to share our living space with Asians, but so what? Asians are generally, a intelligent and law abiding race. (a lot better to be around than blacks and mestizos). At any rate, maybe the White race could inhabit Western Eurasia, and the yellow race could live in Eastern Eurasia. We would develop a Jew Free economic system based on Barter or Social Credit. No more Jewish Usury to crucify humanity on the Cross of Mammon.

  1. Carolyn

    April 13, 2014 at 9:45 pm

    jimhardpeka – This is so idiotic that I invite you not to comment here anymore. Since I’ve known you, you have been “for” everything and everyone. Not kidding. Have you been personally assured that Putin, and/or his successor, will make their huge land mass freely available to Aryans? He is not an Aryan! And you would just turn over our historic homelands to the savages?

    You are among those who I said will slurp up anything that someone like Andre, or Rodney, dishes out, and say “Delicious!” I guess you will also agree to put Traditionalism before Racialism. Why not? Words are cheap.

  1. Markus

    April 13, 2014 at 10:46 pm


    Look at the map of Eurasia. It’s not the humble Chinese and Japanese included, but all the step peoples, the Caucasoids of Khazachstan, Turkmenistan, Turkey etc. Have fun with those folks.

    Eurasia is Russia/Soviet Union. Hitler wanted to colonize that mongrol landmass for the Europeans. Putin does the opposite with his new Eurasia movement. Now, there are not only Russians in German Königsberg, but Putin ships in more and more Turkic peoples of Eurasia there.

    By your logic, you might as well promote North Americanism, from Mexico to Canada. Why not both Americas? So what, right?

  1. Carolyn

    April 14, 2014 at 2:34 am

    Some interesting facts about Putin:

    Putin is 5’7” tall. Some insiders say he is only 5’5” and wears lifts in his shoes.
    He also gets Botox injections in his cheeks, and has had facial surgery.

    “Experts claim that Mr Putin’s dramatic transformation is down to a number of procedures including a facelift, cheek-fillers, a brow-lift, removal of bags under his eyes and Botox.”

    “But Jan Stanek, one of the UK’s top cosmetic surgeons, said: ‘I have no doubt at all that he has had quite a bit of surgery.
    ‘Unfortunately, it has made him look a little odd.
    ‘By lifting the brow so much it has a feminising effect, which is not what you want.’

    Michael Prager, a leading Harley Street cosmetic surgeon, said: ‘He has perhaps had a little bit too much work to the eyes because he has what we call “fish eyes” or “dead eyes”.
    ‘They look empty because he is unable to express his emotions through his eyes, because the muscles have been paralysed.’–just-plenty-sleep.html#ixzz2yq4fjQAF

  1. Tanstaafl

    April 14, 2014 at 6:05 am

    Carolyn has called for comment and I’d like tWn listeners to know that I do indeed intend to comment, at length, in my next program.

  1. endzog

    April 14, 2014 at 9:16 am

    Frazer Glenn Miller Jr Tribute:

  1. katana

    April 14, 2014 at 9:55 am

    Another interesting talk Carolyn. It’s refreshing to listen to you give us your no-nonsense take on the issues of the day.

    Some thoughts:

    * I’ve taken White Nationalism to simply mean Whites taking back control of their countries from the current owners (jews and collaborators) and reversing all the damage that has been done. It doesn’t mean all white countries giving up their identities to assume some generic White identity.

    * Putin, I think is more our friend than our enemy. Don’t forget he’s recently put a stick between the spokes of the jew plans for Syria and now the Ukraine. Is that a JWO trick? I don’t think so. All this should mean though, is that he’s a possible, likely ally rather than some kind of saviour.

    * “White Nationalism is an American phenomenon that has more recently taken hold with some Europeans, too;” Perhaps some misunderstanding here, as WN has existed for a long time in various forms all over the place before our “Three Amigos” arrived. That said they have certainly been real promoters of WN. Hats off.

    * “Andrew Anglin’s insincere apologies and why they should not be accepted”. AA’s style of argument does not make him, as some Texans would say, “a straight shooter.” As you point out he engages in a lot of qualifiers that add up to a lack of sincerity, or at the least a lack of plain speaking, in my book.

    All this internal fighting and discussion does have a positive side in that nonsense ideas are winnowed out through such a process and some consensus can emerge.

  1. Carolyn

    April 14, 2014 at 11:50 am

    Some thoughts on Traditionalism:

    Strangely, it is the homosexual Counter-Currents website that has been strongest in promoting Traditionalism, with the authors Rene Guenon and Julius Evola as their guiding lights. As they see it, it is basically strong male relationships, with females in a supporting role of mainly producing off-spring and running households for men. Trads have a similarity to plain old conservatism.

    Putin as a traditionalist:

    Putin divorced his wife and currently is in relationship with younger women.
    Putin only had two children – daughters. No son to carry on the name.
    Putin allowed one of his two daughters to marry a full-blood Korean. Maybe he couldn’t have stopped her, but he gave the union his blessing.
    Putin keeps his own ancestry private – his lineage past his parents is unknown to the Russian people.
    Putin concerns himself with his image to the voters as a “real man” – minimizing his short stature in comparison to taller men and posing for arranged pictures with wild animals and riding horseback shirtless.
    Putin has had quite a bit of “facelift”-type surgery, plus gets Botox injections to keep him younger-looking.
    Putin is said to be a billionaire, money which had to come after he became a politician and President of Russia.

    When I come up with more points, I’ll add them. It’s sad when we have no living heroes to look to because people need, or at least want one.

  1. Carolyn

    April 14, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    Hi katana, and thanks,

    * Putin, I think is more our friend than our enemy. Don’t forget he’s recently put a stick between the spokes of the jew plans for Syria and now the Ukraine. Is that a JWO trick? I don’t think so. All this should mean though, is that he’s a possible, likely ally rather than some kind of saviour.

    I don’t call Putin an enemy, but just not one of us. To him, Asian Russians are the same as White Russians – that is, Russians. You and I, and Western Europeans in general, are not Russians. He defends non-White countries from US/Jew aggression, true, but would he defend White Nationalist parties in Europe as well? He has never said a word in their defense that I know of. He’s also just as friendly with Jews and Israel as our anti-White leaders are.

    Plus, any WN movement is not organized enough to ally with his realm. If you mean “we” should not write him off, as I seem to be doing, then that is understandable. I am pointing out the unrealistic expectations that so many are expressing and why I think they’re unrealistic. I don’t intend to go on a campaign, as I clearly indicated in this show.

    BUT LET ME ASK YOU katana, do you think it’s helpful to White racial unity or health for the Russian Federation to take over Ukraine? And if so, why?

    Some may think I was too harsh with jimhardpeka. I have two points on that:
    1. He has for some time come here arguing for me to see things differently — however, he never has any valid reasons except we should “all get along.”
    2. I want my comment sections to be a place of intelligent interaction on what’s brought up on my programs, not retarded and/or juvenile ideas and promotions of favorite websites, including one’s own. This latter is a too common occurrence. I don’t mind if someone disagrees with me as long as they have some real thought behind what they write, and don’t insult me with name-calling. In that case, I’m not going to host them. I do become impatient when I am confronted with this type of comment and then have to decide what to do about it. In short, if everyone wrote comments as thoughtful and substantial as yours, katana, I wouldn’t become as unkind as I do. :-)

  1. Nick Dean

    April 14, 2014 at 3:52 pm

    Carolyn, so will you be starting a German-Only Network to thwart the Jews’ oh-so-clear plot to promote White American unity?

  1. Nick Dean

    April 14, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    It’s clear from the context that Anglin is talking about small ‘t’ traditionalism: renewed respect for the national brand of Christianity and old school taboos against porn, abortion and flagrant homosexuality. He’s seen others capitalize Traditionalism when talking about something quite different and decided he likes the way it looks.

  1. Carolyn

    April 14, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    Carolyn, so will you be starting a German-Only Network to thwart the Jews’ oh-so-clear plot to promote White American unity?

    Nick, you are one of those small “j” juvenile types who waste my time. I also invite you to stop commenting on my pages.

  1. Nick Dean

    April 14, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    I thought my comment was quite grown-up. I had first thought of writing, ‘Jeez – at least the ADL and SPLC have a clue,’ but I thought that could be misconstrued.

    In any case, please may I be invited to stop listening, instead?

  1. Carolyn

    April 14, 2014 at 5:54 pm

    Sure thing, Nick. When I think of all the hard work I do, if I thought it were only going to blokes like you, I would get depressed and de-motivated real quick. I obviously have nothing to add to your store of knowledge, so why listen? You can find better entertainment somewhere else … maybe, perhaps?

  1. katana

    April 15, 2014 at 6:59 am

    Carolyn: April 14, 2014 at 2:57 pm

    BUT LET ME ASK YOU katana, do you think it’s helpful to White racial unity or health for the Russian Federation to take over Ukraine? And if so, why?

    Two answers.

    Yes, in a world where we can assume Russia could get away with it. It would be one less country in the clutches of the jew system that is destroying our countries.

    No, in a world that we live in as it would be against the will of at least half the people, i.e., the non-Russians. This would very likely end up with some kind of war being started in the name of these people by the jew controlled West.

    I can see a compromise shaping up in that with sufficient provocation Russia takes over the eastern, mainly Russian half of the country.

    Stepping back to look at the big picture I think things look a bit clearer.

    Starting from the world view that jews are on a secret quest for world power (which I think explains world events best) then retaking Russia would be a high priority ( this, of course, begs the question of whether the jews ever lost substantial control of Russia in the first place, making all bets off, BTW).

    out a strategy and figure out a way to fit into this new reality.

    This does NOT mean the movement must change it’s core values and ideology, though it may mean keeping one’s cards close to one’s chest so to speak, especially while starting out in such a pathetically weak position.

    I think what John De Nugent has written about establishing a new white intellectual elite is spot on in this regard, of the smartest whites who will be tasked with creating a long term political and leadership platform.

    This is not be a short term process that can afford to be distracted by the latest “hero” who is perceived to be the latest new hope of the white race.

    Someone perhaps needs to carry on the work of Dr Pearce in trying to recruit the best and brightest professionals to be part of this new elite? Though replacing Pearce is easier said than done I’ll admit.

  1. Burt

    April 15, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    About minute 40 in episode 6 of Table Talk, Hitler expresses reserve about extending towards Asia. I have to agree. Eurasia sounds to me like a distraction, or wishful thinking.

  1. Burt

    April 15, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    Oh! I goofed. He was discussing extensions toward the West. Regardless, the effect is the same. An organized polity covering the entire region (e.g. France to Kamchatka) is racially unsound.

  1. Carolyn

    April 15, 2014 at 5:47 pm     Burt – yes, he was saying all Asians had to be pushed east of the Urals and never allowed back. In short, no Asians in Europe and no mixing with them as far as living together goes. That is the kind of “superstate” he would have created. These ideas current now, and becoming increasingly current, do indeed increasingly threaten White survival. It’s out of the frying pan, into the fire.They have instigated all these ‘color’ revolutions in former USSR countries and the Ukraine is just another takeover on their list.So, regardless of Putin’s White racial position he is resisting our jew controlled governments. Given that he is not anti-White, I think that’s good.

  2. DC
  1. April 15, 2014 at 8:27 am

    My 2c…

    Putin isn’t really relevant to a WN front who’s primary objective is to defend white people against Jewish aggression in the Western World.

    Establishing a strong competent politically relevant entity is is far more important than worrying about what Putin is doing, although what’s going on in the background should not be ignored either and right now it is looking like Russia (and China) will be a major player in the future, like it or not.

    A credible movement must work