The Heretics' Hour: Porn and Pedophilia - Why do we tolerate it?

Hadding

October 16, 2012 at 1:19 am

I’ve never been interested in pornography.

In the first place — and I know that this hardly counts as porn anymore — pictures of naked women are to me less sexy than pictures of the same women somewhat covered. A nude woman is to me less attractive than a scantily clad woman. In life, if a woman gets naked in front of me too quickly, it’s a big turnoff.

Pornographic movies repel me in large part because they show penises, and they show another man getting pleasure instead of me. Why do men want to see this? I never wanted to see penises. Years ago when some friends of mine put on a hardcore pornographic video and the male organ was shown penetrating the female orifice, I said, it’s time for me to go home. I found out years later that one of my friends there was bisexual; maybe that’s why he didn’t have a problem with what was distasteful to me.

Apart from the fact that I dislike seeing penises and watching another man have sex, I am averse to all kinds of sensory overstimulation, or anything that would make it harder for me to focus on mental tasks or enjoy natural everyday life. In addition to porn, I have no attraction to drugs or alcohol. This is my character. I think I was pretty much born this way.

I don’t believe that pornography made Ted Bundy into a serial killer. He was simply pulling out all the stops to try to save his own life. There was no chance that his pleading as a victim of pornography would get him an eleventh-hour pardon, but he couldn’t be 100% sure of that.

Psychopaths are born, not made. I think if we cleaned up our genepool there would be less demand for porn, and less trouble associated with it.

Under the current order you can expect any effort to ban pornography to have a ban on “hate speech” piggybacked onto it. There was a lot of talk like that back around 1994.

Chris

October 16, 2012 at 4:56 am

Enough of this Puritanism. Porn has its place. Responsible people know how to handle it. It’s healthy, natural, and part of our heritage (think Pagan Rome orgies). Christianity and its insane ideas of censorship are NOT our true heritage.

robert

October 16, 2012 at 10:41 am

Porn and pedophelia are not the same thing. When you group them together it’s a big mistake. Porn is very popular, and it cannot be gotten rid of. Think about this. If someone wants porn, all they have to do is draw it or photograph it, they don’t have to buy it. And it did used to be outlawed, but there was still plenty of it. Sure, porn is an easier outlet than having to actually get dates, and some guys fail to develop properly because of it. However, if you want young males to become attracted to females, you have to enable them to do so at an early age. There is no other choice. But you probably think that’s worse. You should never try to control the sexuality of adolescents or adults, by that time it’s too late, and it’s very harmful. Believe me. I know what I’m talking about.

Carolyn

October 16, 2012 at 10:51 am

I don’t believe that pornography made Ted Bundy into a serial killer. He was simply pulling out all the stops to try to save his own life. There was no chance that his pleading as a victim of pornography would get him an eleventh-hour pardon, but he couldn’t be 100% sure of that.

I don’t know that he claimed pornography alone turned him into a killer, do you? But most sex criminals have claimed, or admitted, heavy porn use.

Psychopaths are born, not made. I think if we cleaned up our genepool there would be less demand for porn, and less trouble associated with it.

With all the people being called psychopaths today, they couldn’t all have been “born that way.” People are conditioned into doing what they wouldn’t be doing otherwise. Sex is being used to destroy us. For example:
Noted child sex abuse expert David Finkelhor found that “boys victimized by older men were over four times more likely to be currently engaged in homosexual activity than were non-victims. The finding applied to nearly half the boys who had had such an experience..Further, the adolescents themselves often linked their homosexuality to their sexual victimization experiences.” Bill Watkins & Arnon Bentovim, “The Sexual Abuse of Male Children and Adolescents: A Review of Current Research,” Journal of Child Psychiatry 33 (1992); in Byrgen Finkelman, Sexual Abuse (New York: Garland Publishing, 1995), p. 316.

“In the case of childhood sexual experiences prior to the age of fourteen, 40 percent (of the pedophile sample) reported that they had engaged ‘very often’ in sexual activity with an adult, with 28 percent stating that this type of activity had occurred ‘sometimes’.” Gary A. Sawle, Jon Kear-Colwell, “Adult Attachment Style and Pedophilia: A Developmental Perspective,” International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology 45 (February 2001): 6.

There are plenty more studies like that. What good purpose does porn serve that it should be protected and allowed to flourish?

Carolyn

October 16, 2012 at 10:57 am

Is this a joke? Porn is “healthy, natural and part of our heritage?” Are you referring to ‘porno-violence?’ Child porn? Infant porn? ‘Snuff’ porn in which the victims are really dead at the end? Just who are these “responsible people” you mention — people like yourself?

Hadding

October 16, 2012 at 11:07 am

The orgy was not a Roman institution but a rite of decadent Greek mystery-religions.

We owe the lascivious reputation of Roman emperors largely to scandalmongering and exaggeration by political enemies. Tacitus would write down any rumor that was unflattering to an emperor, because he was a member of the senatorial class that wanted its power back. The hostility in his Life of Tiberius, for example, is obvious.

The farther back you go with the Romans (and other Aryan peoples) the more strait-laced the morality becomes. A woman who had only one man during her life and never remarried was called an univira, and held in high regard. That old morality gradually disappeared with the advance of plutocracy. The Greek civilization was older and farther advanced in decadence. By contrast, Caesar admired the strict sexual morality of the Germans.

Carl

October 16, 2012 at 11:08 am

If pornography is a natural part of our heritage, why is it that Joos lead it? Tasteful nudity is permissible. The Joos pervert our heritage and our inventions.

Hadding

October 16, 2012 at 11:21 am

I think homosexual rape is a very different question from pornography. I am sure that there are all kinds of experiences that people are more likely to repeat voluntarily after they’ve been required to endure it once. Combat, for example.

I am not interested in “protecting” pornography. I just think it’s a symptom more than a problem in itself and under current conditions, to put effort into a movement to ban it is not prudent.

Carolyn

October 16, 2012 at 11:21 am

Under the current order you can expect any effort to ban pornography to have a ban on “hate speech” piggybacked onto it. There was a lot of talk like that back around 1994.

We need to protect and defend our own people from being under attack by this monstrous sex industry. But it appears that our White Nationalist Warriors can’t do more than post on forums while the enemy bombards us, and they even make themselves easy targets and enjoy what the enemy is doing to them.

At one time you say we must stand on the truth no matter what, at other times you cave in to ‘political realities.’ It is possible to separate (especially hard-core) pornography from so-called “hate speech”, and in fact we should make the case that the porn industry is Jewish, and is a Jewish attack on White America and Christian values. Otherwise, one is in the James O’Meara camp.

Carolyn

October 16, 2012 at 11:25 am

Well, just go back to sleep Hadding; it’s okay.

Haakon Kreutz

October 16, 2012 at 11:30 am

If I may, National Socialism did draw a line between the nudity of Breker’s superb statues (many of which the philistine Allies destroyed because they considered them “pornographic”) and other forms of “gesunde erotik” and the crass forms that we find in mass-produced Jewish crap like “Screw” or Flynnt’s “Hustler”. That said, I’m not a fan of prudery and Comstockery, whether its coming from the typical Moral Majority types or Katherine McKinnon (Andrea Dworkin, well, we haven’t heard much from her lately, lol). Its a vice that, like weed or lottery tickets, is, well, personally unnacceptable, based on a code of “revolutionary asceticism”. I think most of the female anger against ANY visual erotic material, whether its pulp-trash magazines or video, is just hypocrisy. Its just the format. Many women, feminists incuded, will read erotic novels and short stories, quite frankly, they just hate the idea of men having any form of release NOT centered around THEM. Men aren’t the only creatures with possessive drives, egos, will-to-power, or JEALOUSY, y’know.

Hadding

October 16, 2012 at 11:32 am

I don’t know that he claimed pornography alone turned him into a killer, do you? But most sex criminals have claimed, or admitted, heavy porn use.

But what’s the cause and what’s the effect? Lots of felons are drug-users too. Many of them lack decency and restraint in general.

Bundy essentially made pornography the scapegoat for his crimes. Christians ate that up. There is video of Bundy trying to save his life with this story. He had tears streaming down his face I would say because he desperately did not want to die. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6VAN7ELkk0

Oh yeah, movies on cable TV are going to cause people to commit murder. Sure.

Haakon Kreutz

October 16, 2012 at 11:38 am

DON’T pretend like I’m defending “crush”-flicks or “Hostel”-type crap, either. Just saying, that, look, if I discovered that a pro-white single mom had a copy of “50 Shades of OMFG” and a few battery-powered ‘implements of satiation’, do I have the right to start blabbing about it and telling people what a sellout and “degenerate” she is, no matter what good things she’s done for people within the cause? What about adultery or pure and simple abandonment of a man in prison for “crimes” of an anti-system nature? Because the queen-bee didn’t want to be tied to a “Nazi loser” anymore? There are some things that are worse than looking at dirty pictures.

robert

October 16, 2012 at 11:41 am

The music industry is Jew-controlled too, and in very detrimental ways, but you make no observations about that.

Carolyn

October 16, 2012 at 11:45 am

I do remember you robert – you are a homosexual, but you want to deny it.

I did not say that porn and pedophilia are the same thing – that why the “and” between them. I even divided the program into two parts – first hour, porn; second hour, pedophilia.

An example of “knowing what you’re talking about” is that young males become attracted to females via porn? Is that how it’s done? Maybe for you, since it’s a tough job for you. I understand.

Hadding

October 16, 2012 at 11:45 am

When software for blocking porn was created and marketed to schools, “hate sites” were also blocked. This is the established pattern.

Because of that, if a blogger wants to be read in schools, he has to avoid using certain words.

Hadding

October 16, 2012 at 11:48 am

Otherwise, you’re in the James O’Meara camp.

That’s pretty damned insulting. I have a thick skin, but some people would hate your guts for saying such a thing.

Carolyn

October 16, 2012 at 11:52 am

The music industry is Jew-controlled too, and in very detrimental ways, but you make no observations about that.

This program was not about the music industry or about all the things that Jews control. Your intention, robert, has always been to shift attention somewhere other than what homosexuals are doing and are all about.

Hadding

October 16, 2012 at 11:56 am

There is no valid comparison between homosexual rape, which is involuntary, and viewing pornography, which is voluntary.

This is as fallacious as using leniency toward Muslim gang-rapists to demonstrate that there is no discrimination against White males.

Hadding

October 16, 2012 at 12:15 pm

Here’s another angle on pornography, exploitation of girls. I find this more disturbing and convincing than the claims about effects on viewers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=jRZZAuPyG7I&feature=endscreen

Carolyn

October 16, 2012 at 1:08 pm

I’m generally using the word “you” in the generic sense. That was the case here. I would never accuse you, Hadding, of being in the James O’Meara camp. Again though, I say, you shouldn’t think that everything is directed to you personally.

I just changed it to “one is.” I did look at that twice originally, but didn’t come up with a solution at that time. Too many comments to answer all at once.

John McGhee

October 16, 2012 at 1:18 pm

This William Pierce broadcast turned into a video is continually being taken down by You Tube.

The Sexual Exploitation of White Children by the Jews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=141jFDxUbNA

Carolyn

October 16, 2012 at 7:22 pm

Thanks for this video – I like it alot.

Everything these two women say on this video fits exactly what I said on my program under discussion. So I don’t know how it is “another angle,” except that it’s actual ex-porn “stars” saying it. I have my doubts that you watched the whole thing – at least, before you wrote your comment. Did you catch the prayer at the end? These girls and women NEED God in their lives and something to believe in, and they probably continue to go to 12-step meetings too. It is not a man who saved them. Their stories are similar to all 12-stepper stories, except, of course, being a porn “star” is more degrading than any substance addiction. That’s what they are recovering from – all the degradation and low self-esteem.

Some White Nationalist men love for women to have low self-esteem – it makes them feel bigger. We can see that in some of the comments here, but certainly not all. I don’t want anyone to misunderstand me. But it’s pretty amazing that some here pretend that we’re just talking about looking at dirty pictures. Now that’s DENIAL!

Carolyn

October 16, 2012 at 7:31 pm

There is no valid comparison between homosexual rape, which is involuntary, and viewing pornography, which is voluntary.

This is as fallacious as using leniency toward Muslim gang-rapists to demonstrate that there is no discrimination against White males.

It is not clear what you are referring to here. Would you please point to it for the enlightenment of the readers and me.

Chris

October 16, 2012 at 8:30 pm

No, my first post was not a joke. I just feel this topic is a non-issue really. In reagrd to one of the commenters saying that the Jews control the porn industry in America – yes that is true. However, do you really think porn would not exist if Jews didn’t exist? This is in no way an insult against the Germans, but I’ve lived in Germany and am of German heritage, and I can tell you that the Germans are mass producers and consumers of some of the most hardcore pornography there is.

Carolyn

October 16, 2012 at 8:35 pm

If I may, National Socialism did draw a line between the nudity of Breker’s superb statues (many of which the philistine Allies destroyed because they considered them “pornographic”) and other forms of “gesunde erotik” …

The “philistine Allies” did not destroy Breker’s statues because they considered them “pornographic.” Someone might have said that, but it certainly was not the reason.

Carolyn

October 16, 2012 at 10:59 pm

So because Germans make some (what you call) hardcore porn, that makes it alright? All you have is an opinion in favor of leaving porn alone and you’ve given your opinion. You have gone on record of voting for the rape, torture and even murder of young women, children and even infants in order to give men far away a turn-on. Congratulations.

Carl

October 16, 2012 at 11:27 pm

Having Joos amongst us distorts all our instincts and cultural patterns. The extraction of the Joo would bring the ‘German’ pornography to a standstill. It’s a slightly esoteric argument but I think it is sound. Without the Joo amongst us, we will have much healthier overall patterns of living, and of course, we would be free of the endlessly bad example that the Joo represents: Whites who are asleep in the Joos see X, Y, Z in the media or in their ‘education’, and they assume that what they are seeing has a validity that it really doesn’t have. Similarly, without the Joo the media discussion programs would address our true interests, rather than skirting around them, and forever presenting false choices.

Carolyn

October 17, 2012 at 12:44 am

Well, Carl, there are no jews here. (That “Joos” spelling really bothers me; are you so attached to it?) This is a place where we can address our true interests rather than skirting around them. But we have some pretty big differences … like on the subjects of this program. But it’s good to discover what we differ about among ourselves when we don’t have the “other” to hold us together against “it.” We are not really very much together, are we?

Carl

October 17, 2012 at 1:57 am

(I will cease to write “Joos”. I write it that way because I think there is a problem regarding the identity of the Jews. I think most of them hail not from the Old Testament but from Khazar. This point of confusion strikes me as important, but, just writing “Joos” may well be annoying. Sorry!) Assuming that there are no Jews amongst us, we still have differences because we are arguing about the future. But I maintain that without the Jew amongst us, we would be better off, and much more stable–this is my point. If you look at a book such as “You Gentiles” by Maurice Samuel, or the prefatory letter by Oscar Levy in “The World Significance of the Russian Revolution”, (both avail. on archive.org) it is plain that the Jews revel in dancing this way and that, hypothesizing every sort of manipulative, damaging, and curative role for themselves, in all rhetorical cleverness.

Carolyn

October 17, 2012 at 9:42 am

Carl, I didn’t mean to imply at all that we’re no better off without Jews than with them. Of course we would be! That’s the whole idea behind The White Network. I was only commenting on the differences we will always have even among ourselves. All other peoples do too. But at least we are dealing with people more like ourselves, with whom we share more good will and common hopes. Let’s hope so!

P.S. It occurs to me I ought to add that even though we have no Jews amongst us here, nor any non-whites, we have to allow that “the Jewish spirit” and Jewish narratives that we have been imbued with still cling to us … some of us more than others. I think defining what this is is an important part of our work.

Carolyn

October 17, 2012 at 10:58 am

I have posted an article relevant to this program at my website carolynyeager.com. Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse at http://carolynyeager.net/node/982

Konrad Rhodes

October 17, 2012 at 8:39 pm

I have been looking at the comments and I am just slightly confused, upset and slightly disturbed. Chris, not to jump on the wagon or anything, but what you wrote really bothered me. I generally agree with what Ernst Zundel said when he basically stated that the people in Germany today are like the people in Sparta today. Just living there doesn’t make you German anymore! Pointing out the monstrously immoral and unnatural sexual mores or lack of, so prevalent in our decadent society is no more crazy or ‘Puritan’ than pointing out that what the overwhelming majority believe to be true is a lie!
White Nationalism, I thought, would be full of men and women who are or are planning to get married, have children, and work toward educating them. If we did this we would quickly grow judging by how few White people are having kids today. But I am really upset that more and more I keep finding out that this person or that person is a White Nationalist, but not married and has no children. Is the break down of sexual mores the cause of this? That seems to be the defense I read or hear most often and I am willing to accept that though I still wonder. Is it men being so exposed and desensitized and WEAK that they have no understanding or sense of duty, honor, virtue, courage? Don’t any men want to be chivalrous gentlemen anymore? I tell men and women that are serious about wanting love, marriage, and children to go to church. You may be a total atheist but if you want to do things properly and you are a man or woman wanting to find a spouse and have kids you are much more likely to find that person at a church than at some bar or night club or online even. I can’t help thinking, besides immigration and economic factors, that the downfall of organized Christianity accompanying the liberal sexual revolution of the “60s and ’70s has contributed to the falling birthrate of Whites.
Carolyn you said in the beginning of the show that we should just admit we naturally feel aroused sexually by dominance, well men for the most part, and that this is normal. I really am bothered by that. I hope you are wrong about that. For myself and everyone I’ve gotten to know who is White they were or are normal people who simply found the act and their wife or husband enough of a ‘turn-on’. However, every Jew or Black male I have known has had a really disgusting desire to humiliate and abuse women from outside their race and, often enough, within their own race as well, sexually. I just can’t, for the life of me, understand it. When husbands and wives are “rough with each other in bed”, they are not trying to physically or psychologically hurt each other. Yet perverts, as I said all that I can say I had the misfortune of knowing, many through having been a trainer at a factory at one time in my life, were Jews and Blacks. I admit I have only known casually less than ten Jewish men, if you can call them that, but they were all just despicable toads who seemed to be interested in every form of perversion but took no interest in healthy normal sex! Mestizos seem to be a mixed bag but the only experiences I’ve had with them is that they all seem to view infidelity as the norm and have a weird awe of White women, “Wettas”, and seem to want to be dominated by a woman. Kind of a reverse. But I really am stretching here and this is just my own experience so take for what it is.
Carolyn, I can tell you there is a city, Muscatine, IA, 20 miles south of where I grew up that tried to stop a Family Video from opening up in town because they rent porn and the city had a law against Sexually Oriented Businesses operating within city limits but, I don’t know how or who gave in, but eventually the store opened up and I can’t help thinking the dirty dollar greased it through.
Golden Dawn’s leader mentioned the filth of pornography in a speech, I recall, stating that at 2 AM when the porn movies are on the TV the young, proud Greek men of Golden Dawn were marching in the streets for the salvation of [Greece].
Carolyn, I can’t say I fully understand all your views on these rather uncomfortable topics but I will just say I appreciate your willingness to take on these issues. When we win real justice for all perverts will be meted out and Christ’s statement will be fulfilled that for those who would do harm to children it would be better for them to tie a rope to a mill stone and the other end of the rope around their neck and then throw that mill stone in the river!

Carolyn

October 18, 2012 at 10:34 am

Carolyn you said in the beginning of the show that we should just admit we naturally feel aroused sexually by dominance, well men for the most part, and that this is normal. I really am bothered by that. I hope you are wrong about that. For myself and everyone I’ve gotten to know who is White they were or are normal people who simply found the act and their wife or husband enough of a ‘turn-on’

Yes, I said “We do get turned on sexually by sadism and humiliation, one person dominating another.” Since I brought this up, I should have explained further that, for most of us, not when it’s done to us! Or people we know and love. No, it’s only as a kind of voyeurism, observing it being done among strangers, such as in a movie. That’s why porn is something you watch, or read about. As long as most people can see it as a fantasy taking place on celluloid they can tell themselves it’s harmless … they’re just watching something “fictional.”

I’m in total agreement with you that the vast majority of married couples do not feel a need for anything like that and don’t do anything like that. But there are men (maybe women too) who, while not wanting anything like that with their wife, will still watch porn on their computers, or look at porn magazines, etc. It’s usually kind of a secret vice. One of the articles I linked to told of a husband and wife who thought they would add spice to their lovemaking by watching pornographic videos together, but eventually the husband became more interested in porn videos than in his wife, causing real problems of alienation in their marriage! This highlights the great danger when fantasy takes over, becomes more appealing, and individuals prefer it to the hum-drum and responsibilities of real life. I hope you will take the time to read the articles I just posted on my website: http://carolynyeager.net/node/984

I have to agree with you, Konrad, that Christians and others who accept that some things are “taboo” and just don’t go there are better off than those who come to believe it’s okay to explore anything and everything. This is what the Jews have taught us, to deny our warning signals … to fall into their traps.

Carolyn

October 18, 2012 at 11:53 am

This highlights the great danger when fantasy takes over, becomes more appealing, and individuals prefer it to the hum-drum and responsibilities of real life.

This can also be seen among some White Nationalists and National-Socialists who live off the glory of past heroes and accomplishments, but who themselves do little in real life in present time. They are basically fantasists.

Don

October 18, 2012 at 12:55 pm

Konrad: A great exposition on this subject. Very insightful.

I agree that church is a good place to meet decent people, even if you’re a non-believer. I agree that the decline of traditional Christianity probably reduced the birth rate.

You observe that many WN’s don’t have children. Part of the explanation for that is that the persecution of WN’s makes stable employment and the ability to have a stable family life difficult. Open WN’s face blacklisting, boycotting and even jail. Look at David Irving, Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolf, Edgar Steele and probably others.

What woman wants to get on board with a WN man who has to live like a hunted animal and face poverty and ostracism?

You mention the fact that most whites do not need domination and humiliation of sexual partners for sexual gratification. I agree with this. From my adolescence to now, I never met a white kid or white man who wanted to beat naked women, only to admire and have sex with them if possible.

As for pornography, I think there is a natural resistance growing to it, at least among whites. Years ago when VCR’s came out, I rented from a number of different outlets. I asked what percentage of their rentals were porn and the answer was always the same: “about 10%.” That means that 90% were non-porn. I haven’t rented a video in many years, but the trend in So Cal was that mainstream rental outlets did NOT stock porn. I never saw lines of people stampeding to rent porn. I think that all of the “adult” theaters have closed, but no doubt this is because internet porn and other sources made them superfluous.

A few years ago there was a controversy about some company that edited pornographic scenes and vile language out of mainstream films so that people would not have to watch it. This generated a “Copyright” dispute, with the motion picture producers angry because their “artistic integrity” was being violated, even though they were not deprived of revenue or royalties by this kind of editing.

I thought it ironic that contrary to 50 years ago, it is now porno that is mainstream and decent, porn free literature that is on the black market and has to be produced and distributed “underground” so to speak.

Maybe the porn issue should be treated as a medical issue rather than as a free speech issue.

Chris

October 19, 2012 at 6:21 am

Indeed, everything is permitted. Nietzsche, the great prophet and teacher of our strong European people instructed that we must create a new human being: one that is godlike, one that is ‘beyond good and evil’. Transvaluation of all values. And a quote from another great teacher of our people that radiates pure strength: “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law. Love under will.” -Aleister Crowley.

Carolyn

October 19, 2012 at 10:32 am

Indeed, people, Chris is putting us on … as I asked him in reply to his first comment. But no more. His IP is now blocked.

We should always be suspicious of comments that are over-the-top and not be so ready to treat them as legitimate. Lots of people out there trying to jam up the works.