The Heretics' Hour: Is the IHR a dead horse or can it be revived under new leadership?

Burt

December 17, 2013 at 12:19 am

I can think of someone to head a historical institute!!! I don’t want to be too obvious about it, but the initials are CY.

@ Dana: The Holocaust (TM) matters because it is a bulwark of diversity training aimed at young children. As Horus the Avenger observes, it takes about 15-20 years to brainwash a civilization. The sooner we undo the Holocaust, the better. White people are invited to feel ashamed of their previous attempts to live unmolested by other racial groups. The Holocaust is given as the prime example.

jimhardpeka

December 17, 2013 at 12:46 am

Carolyn, thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to speak on your show tonight. I agree with you one hundred percent about Mark Weber. You are a fearless warrior for the Truth. You have probably the best podcast on the net. Have you seen the new video that Sinead has put on Youtube? It is called, “The Victory March of the Triumphant Aryan Republic”. It is VERY powerful. Thank you so much for the wonderful work that you are doing, Carolyn. You are a true Aryan Spiritual Warrior.

Dietlef Busch

December 17, 2013 at 8:53 am

I just felt, Dana has no intellectual scholarship to even give an opinion to be honest, he stated in the beginning he did not know much about the IHR and as the show progressed not much of revision in general and that after being at least 5 years (that I know of) around intellectuals, historians, hardcore holocaust™ deniers and White/National Socialists on facebook and blogs, he has been given every possible link under the sun one can think of! He does not realize that the whole holocaust™ is holding the German Nation on their knees, illegally occupied by the allies since 1945, the trigger to their heads. The house of cards of the holocaust™ is the crux to break the Jewish hold over them and any other nation, but most of all to give back the German Nation their sovereignty, their time of mourning over their forebear and to restore their honour — Weber of the IHR is a traitor to all the revisionists that paid a dear price to expose the holocaust lie and the vast $$$ industry tank surrounding it, and then to sabotage it, despicable, he must go! Rodney Martin’s joint tee-pee adventure with Weber (Irving’s drooling psychophant) will see to their smoke signals and tom-tom’s drift off into thin air.

Carolyn

December 17, 2013 at 10:17 am

Dana was invited onto the program because he hosted Mark Weber on his program and probably will do so again. He represented the pro-Weber side which, you are right, does not appreciate/recognize the deep significance of “holocaust” in the entire post-war power structure that keeps Europe in hostage, and Americans in ignorance. I thought that side should be represented, and that listeners would see through the weakness of those arguments. Unlike, may I say, when Weber is a guest and no one with opposing views is invited to be on the program with him. That kind of direct confrontation is anathema to Weber, as he would not be able to hold up under it when both sides had equal time.

I want to say again that I invited Weber onto my program on a prior occasion, but he did not reply. I also invited Kyle Hunt to be on this program before I invited Dana and he also did not reply to my invitation. Dana doesn’t mind my saying that – personally I find Dana to be an agreeable, good-natured person. He wasn’t there as an “expert” but as a representative of the other viewpoint on holocaust.

I hold Mark Weber responsible for adding to the “holocaust-is-not-that-important-anymore” school of thought which, as you say, makes him suspect as to his motives. Why he wants to uphold “gas chambers” is inexplicable because there is no reason to do so! The only reason is to follow David Irving down his suicidal path. There is not a single recognized revisionist who will have anything to do with Weber for quite some time now. This speaks volumes about this man, yet young people like Dana and Kyle are not bothered by it. I think it has a lot to do with the “generation gap;” they say ‘we’re the new wave and we have different ideas than you old guys.’ They think they will accomplish what the previous generation failed to do, not realizing they are less qualified intellectually and in physical endurance than that previous generation. Making videos rather than writing books is not going to make a difference – it’s only a dumbed-down way of going about it for their own dumbed-down generation.

Thanks for your comment, Dietlef, and your point about the German nation.

Carolyn

December 17, 2013 at 10:23 am

Burt – I love you but suggesting CY to head a historical institute is outside the bounds of the possible, for a number of reasons. But it shows the paucity of real talent and the abundance of charlatans around, I’ll give you that.

Carolyn

December 17, 2013 at 10:26 am

jim – I appreciate your persistence in calling and apologize for losing you a couple of times. You were a great caller. When I do more shows like this, I hope you’ll call in again. I will look at that video.

Kyle Hunt

December 17, 2013 at 11:43 am

I am not sure what way you tried to reach me, but it never got through to me. There are contact forms on the different sites I run. Did you try one of those? Both Tanstaafl and Dana have my contact information, yet you did not get it from either of them to reach out to me?

‘we’re the new wave and we have different ideas than you old guys.’ – is that a direct quote from anyone? No? Then why put it in quotes?

You say we are “less qualified intellectually and in physical endurance than that previous generation”. Are you trying to start some kind of generation war within our struggle? Is that productive?

Carolyn

December 17, 2013 at 12:23 pm

I am really sorry about that, Kyle. I got your email address from Dana. It didn’t come back to me, as in it wasn’t delivered, so I assumed you got it. I will do another program of this type, after Christmas or after the New Year, and I hope you will agree to be on that one. How’s that? Dana did a very good job last night.

‘we’re the new wave and we have different ideas than you old guys.’ – is that a direct quote from anyone? No? Then why put it in quotes?

You say we are “less qualified intellectually and in physical endurance than that previous generation”. Are you trying to start some kind of generation war within our struggle? Is that productive?

Not a direct quote and not put in double quotes marks. I was just trying to separate it some way so the sentence made sense. You know, when writing comments, one can’t work on it as if writing a dissertation.
I do believe the post-war generation (those who were adults or children during the war) are mentally superior to what we have today. Maybe just better educated. Especially today’s youth and twenty-somethings are visibly dumbed-down. Not their fault, I suppose. They are wised up from the Internet (I am certainly way ahead of where I would be without the Internet) but without the best reasoning skills, historical overview, and not verbal skills. Of course, it is not across the board, there are always exceptions.

What I’m trying to say in my comment is that thinking that holocaust is not all that important in ending Jewish-Zionist power appears to me to be a desire to take an easier way. There is no easier way. I always liked Alex Linder’s VNN motto: “There’s no way out except through the Jews.” I would substitute holohoax for Jews, and like it just as much. In fact, I think I will take that up for myself. Brilliant idea! Thanks for bringing it out of me.

P.S. I have my mail to you in my Sent folder, dated Dec. 10. But these things do happen.

Dietlef Busch

December 17, 2013 at 1:50 pm

Thank you for your reply Carolyn and you most certainly expressed the generation gap as I have found it to be, You still have freedom of speech, unlike in Germany and across Europe where we face incarceration at any moment of our activism. I rather plead with all of you (and you Dana) use this gift i.e. freedom of speech positively and wisely in the name of sanity and common sense! Our very European Heritage is at stake, let the light of Truth shine in you! I have an excellent article written by Claus Nordbruch of his analysis of the “nationalist” parties in Europe, in which he makes it very clear, we stand between two choices, Zionism (Judaism) or Islam! Both hold by the Jews narrative of the holocaust. Period. Its in German, if you need me to translate this, please let me know Carolyn, but it gives you a clear picture of what is America’s future http://derhonigmannsagt.wordpress.com/2011/02/01/dr-claus-nordbruch-koscher-und-politikfahig/

Dana this is both in English (and other languages) of how the bodies of GERMAN soldiers, children, women, the elderly were murdered and abused for the holocaust i.e. from the Rhine meadow camps presented as Jewish bodies for Hitchcock’s films about German concentration camps: wrong bodies from Rhine meadow camps, wrong lorries, showers and crematories etc.
http://www.geschichteinchronologie.ch/eu/D/1945-rheinwiesenlager/ENGL/001-basics.html

CW Porter did an excellent job in the so-called eyewitness testominies and exposed it all on his site
http://www.cwporter.com/

Thank you to all in the USA who hear our calls from Europe! We need you to be our voices!

Charles

December 17, 2013 at 3:08 pm

Carolyn,

I would like to open up a dialogue or a question as to whether or not Mark Weber adheres to a Communitarian “philosophy.” Communitarianism is run by Amitai Etzioni, the guru of this “philosophy” (better, esoteric, Cabalist religion), a dual citizen and Zionist who has been as well the Åmerican policy advisor to every President since Jimmy Carter. Niki Raapana is the woman who has brought demystification of the Hegelian Dialectic Communitarianism employs for World Government as H. G. Wells described it back in the 1930s.

Here’s a quotation from Mark Weber regarding his essay, “How Hitler Tackled Unemployment.”

Could Hitler’s economic policies work in the United States? These policies are probably most workable in countries such as Sweden, Denmark, and the Netherlands, with a well-educated, self-disciplined and ethnically-culturally cohesive population, and a traditionally strong “communitarian” ethos with a correspondingly high level of social trust. Hitler’s economic policies are less applicable in the United States and other societies with an ethnically-culturally diverse population, a markedly individualistic, “laissez-faire” tradition, and a correspondingly weaker “communitarian” spirit.

Notice how Weber privileges the word communitarian as having a high value, even though he puts it in quotes. His putting it in quotations around the word itself means it’s one of those words, like “sustainability,” that’s floating in the blogosphere that seems to be a useful term however ill-defined idea it may be. Clearly, there is something in the “communitarian” idea that resonates with him.

Now, here’s a quotation from the Jewish/Zionist guru, Amitai Etzioni himself, the final overseer of the “Final Solution” in which, he proclaims, there will be a Final, Perfect Synthesis in the Hegelian Dialect, using a combination of Islam, Christian, and Jewish foundations (to name a few) to foment administrative regulations for a New World Order, run and controlled by the small wealthy elite who are unlike you and me in that they have souls while the rest of humanity has no soul at all. This is from the website known as “The Communitarian Network”

“Another rule of values-talks is not to affront the deepest moral commitments of the other groups. The assumption must be made that each group is committed to some particular values that are especially sacrosanct to that group, and that each group has some dark moments in its history upon which members would rather not dwell. Thus, to throw into the face of a German, whenever one discusses a specific normative difference, the horror of the Holocaust, or to tell Jews that it did not happen, hinders values-talk while refraining from doing so enhances them.”

Do you see how, like Weber, Etzioni advises “communitarians” not to speak of the horror of the Holocaust to Germans and not to throw the Holohoax into the faces of Jews?

As Weber said in his interview with Kyle last night, he does not want IHR to take a position as a Holocaust denier because in doing that, that is equivalent to putting out a Not Welcome sign to others with other points of view!

In the Communitarian “philosophy,” people all over the globe are going to be taught a better morality than any prior sect or set of doctrines has contributed to civilization — this according to Amitai Etzioni, of course — and people will learn to be “good” (and controlled) and — Carolyn, I know you’ll find this interesting — “nice,” i.e., non-offensive.

Children now are being arrested in the U.S. by police for just making a pretend gun out of their thumb and fingers — clearly to teach them a lesson about obedience and “being nice.”

Again, doesn’t Mark Weber’s words about “communitarian” spirit in his essay and his defense of IHS as an organization that cannot argue for a “position” on revisionism have the ring of the same “spirit” as Etzioni is attempting to inculcate in his “values-talk”?

http://www.gwu.edu/~ccps/etzioni/A254.html

http://www.ihr.org/other/economyhitler2011.html

About Niki Rappana’s work exposing Communitarianism, which is really the Rothschild Plan, with a warm and fuzzy label:

http://nikiraapana.blogspot.com

I’m thinking there’s more behind Weber’s seemingly passive stance at IHR than just his poodle-like worship of the handsome and commanding David Irving.

Konrad Rhodes

December 17, 2013 at 3:21 pm

Dear Carolyn, if you will allow me I want to address Dana. I hope I can win him over if you will, or contribute to that, by addressing his questions, his not understanding why this is so important, not understanding that it ALWAYS comes back to the holocaust when you become a White Nationalist or even Anti-Jew in any way, and not understanding how important the Truth is here and why it cannot be compromised! I apologize that it is personal and rather long but I think anyone reading it can gain some insight.
Sir, General Antiochus if you will, let me just give you a highly personal reason why the holocaust needs to be absolutely debunked , destroyed and totally uprooted like a weed from our garden. I am 30 years old now and back in my tiny hometown. I have mentioned in the past that I am almost entirely of German descent, grew up in a mostly German American town in rural Iowa founded by Schleswig-Holstein-ers. Most of the people in the surrounding area and Midwest in general are of German descent as well though this is shrinking and being mixed out to my dismay. One thing I bet you would be surprised to learn is how many of us through some of the weirdest ways have been convinced or convinced ourselves that we have Jews, or some non-white, in our family tree! My own mother, who I love but have always had major arguments and disagreements with my whole adult life, somehow came to the conclusion when I was still a child that because my father’s mother’s maiden name was Kirschbaum and they were Catholic that they must have been Jews who hid their Jewishness by converting. She told us this when we saw part of Schindlers List as kids until my parents put us to bed being so shocked by the violence in it. Now I actually believed this crap my Mom told me because it came from my Mom. The reality is that she really never knew anything about this because my father’s mother and maternal grandmother died sadly over a decade before my father met her and my father’s maternal grandfather died a year before my father met her as well. It was only because the other Kirschbaums, who lived on the other side of Iowa, my parents moved to and I was born and grew up in SE Iowa, and they were seven hours away up in NW Iowa, it was only through my going back where my parents grew up many years later and meeting distant cousins and my great uncle Bobby Kirschbaum that I found out the truth. NOPE! Nein Juden! They were Germans who were sword smiths in Solingen and those who stayed in Solingen are still making swords and they made some of the SS daggers during the Third Reich!
Now why do you think my Mom thought this? It may have at some point have had to do with the many Jews in Germany who have the surname Kirsch-EN-Baum! But I don’t think it was even this. It was because she was convinced that we Germans are evil bastards who killed six million Jews of course! Watch Schindlers List or the History Channel! This is rather funny and pathetic because my Mom is mostly of German descent though she excuses it by being a flaming bleeding-heart liberal. Anyhow, if you convince yourself that you’re somehow one of the good German-Americans who really is part Jew and loves Jews and would have fought against Hitler and BLAH BLAH BLAH HOLO-COST HOLO-COST. It fits in with this desire to not be German because Germans were Nazis or still are basically Nazis at heart. Most Americans in the Heartland are 50% or more of German heritage and most White Americans overall are of at least significant partial German descent. Now if we are not the Aryans who simply cannot stomach killing in the ways we are told we did, or that our cousins in Deutschland did, but are convinced through propaganda, which you CANNOT AVOID, that we are an efficient, cold and evil people who love to murder, the “Germanic Death Cults” then you want to disassociate yourself from it.
I am sorry this is so long but one more personal story please! I first read sections of Mein Kampf when I was 11! YES 11! Now why did I feel prompted to so much?! It was because I had two older brothers , really step-brothers who were from my father’s first marriage though they are full brothers in my eyes! who were Neo-Nazi Skinheads and would have labeled themselves such who I looked up to. But at that time I still believed what my Mom told me and that the “Nazis” murdered six million Jews and made lamp shades and soap out of them and so forth. Now who did I go to get more info on Hitler and the Nazis? My older brothers of course and you know what great ideological training our “White Nationalist Skinheads” got? They both believed the Six Million Myth too but they justified it as a good and necessary thing! When I asked them more about how can you be okay with killing little women and children? Babies?! They still persisted that it was for a greater good. I never could understand this thinking! And I saw this at times in Skinhead/OI music and still do in NS Black Metal music with bands even showing photos of Auschwitz like it was a real life horror movie they are promoting. Now I like some bands from both who really promote true National Socialism, especially Absurd’s song “Germanien uber Alles” but the point is when the Truth is lost and false myth is perpetuated and allowed to because “is it really that big of a deal?” we really do suffer and lose out on many intelligent young people that we need.
Back to my story, I liked what I read in Mein Kampf but I came to the conclusion they want you to come to! Nationalism leads to genocide and oppression; it is just always devastating, cold-blooded killing, and Hate that motivates it. This is the explanation they promote every single day. So I left it aside and that was that. I read and studied a great deal in several areas growing up but with all it took me until only about two years ago to re-read Mein Kampf entirely and you know who and what convinced me to do this?! Friedrich Paul Berg, Germar Rudolf, and Carolyn Yeager and their work! They are not the ideological historians in academia who are really idiot-ological historians. They are real historians! Because I found them I am now Proud to be German without the reservations and nonsense anymore! But what is so incredible is that when I did and anyone else does delve into this and see that what is at Mr. Berg’s website nazigassings.com is the truth! When they see that it is not just slightly a false history and impression of Germany and Germans and the greater German Reich that we are being given, and this is all Weber is willing to say, but in fact is a nearly total fabrication over and over and over! Many areas are to this day total fabrications throughout! this opens your mind! You see with new eyes and you want to fight the liars and you see who your enemy REALLY IS! WHAT they are inside! They are MURDERERS who have made the BIGGEST LIE in HISTORY! For me it was like I was converted to the Swastika the way some are converted to the Cross. Not to in anyway get into Christ bashing but I became a “Hitler-freak” the way others become “Jesus-freaks”!
Dana this is not about the masses and I hate calling them that! But this is about the Vanguard! Finding the outstanding young people and opening up their minds and with this Holocaust debunking, Revisionism of the REAL kind which is what Mr.Berg and Mr.Rudolf will teach that wipes the mud of lies off so you can see! This is SO important now because we need National Socialism and Mein Kampf more than ever! We particularly need Volume II! Re-read it! And within the first two chapters, maybe the first, you will not be able to tell me that I am wrong on this! He really said it all so well! Hyper-Individualism was a problem he saw there the same as here! It is just so incredible and sad that even people who should know better think that it all has to be new, always new, when this is not new and you are supposed to learn and care about history for that very reason! You need it to know what to do today! And you have to have the Truth for that and as Hadding Scott wrote so well the Truth is our Greatest Weapon!

Konrad Rhodes

December 17, 2013 at 3:56 pm

Dear Carolyn,
To your comment about the post-war generation, yes this is somewhat true but the key is that they were already doped and duped and pressed on the excelerator towared our doom being lured by materialism into ‘politeness’ and fantasy over truth. Ignorance is bliss over perspicacity describes it well.
Your break music makes me nearly teary-eyed because it so saddens my heart to hear such nice old light-hearted music reminding me of past times when there was still some real order and beauty in society and not the hell with its gaping jaws swallowing us today.
I would only go as far as to say that yes the “America First” movement is proof that the older generation was superior along with the Anti-Communist movement that Rockwell came out of but he very well pointed out the massive flaws already there back then! Today yes the youth are a poisoned and un-educated mass of dumbies for the most part BUT the exceptions are REALLY great exceptions though we still admittedly tend to remain stuck in a hyper-individualist mindset which is a huge part of the problem. I don’t like this crap about more voices, more sites, etc. This is not at all a good thing! Unity, Discipline, and Fidelity is what we need. I personally don’t want to be part of some amorphous sponaneous mob of individuals who can’t agree on anything much for long. That is not attractive at all. A unified, disciplined, army marching in step is what attracts people. Even if all we did is get together on the streets all dressed in a plain white-collar button-up and wearing black slacks with some banners this would be FAR better than an unruly mob or ‘lets just be lone wolfs’ which is basically ski-masks and AR-15s and bombs judging from some of its promoters. The model written of in Carl Hottelets translation of the Lehrplan for the Ideological Training of the Waffen-SS and Polizei explaining the concept behind the formation of, the history and actions of, and organization of the SS is the exact model we need to use NOW!
Sorry for digressing a bit with my opinion but I can’t help going back to how I feel about much of what I hear and see in this American White Nationalism which is not even a community let alone movement as there are no leaders, there is no LEADER, and no real unity behind a program, order, and ideology! I get so tired seeing it work with the Swedish Resistance and the Golden Dawn and Jobbik and having worked with William Dudley Pelley’s Silver Shirts, which is a real precedent and author we can draw from for American Nationalism, and yet no one is willing to embrace what should be so obvious and it is directly tied to the drugged, dumbed down, and hyper-individualist selfish brats the majority of White youth really are today! and that their parents were! Frankly I extend that to working class Whites as well! though on a positive note I think they are much more fertile ground for a real movement and party.
Thanks for your time and thank you for putting up with me Carolyn. This is why I try to keep quiet. Constant commenting and talking tends to make us more egotistic individualists which is a huge problem as I wrote above.
Thanks again!
14/88

JohnM

December 17, 2013 at 5:16 pm

On Kyle Hunt’s most recent show Weber used

1. Himmler’s Posen Speech

2. Goebbels Diary Entry

3. Hitler’s Final Testament Paragraph

That there was a plan for extermination.

I guess Weber is waiting until Irving’s Himmler biography is published to go full throttle on the “gassings”.

Dietlef Busch

December 17, 2013 at 9:35 pm

Weber is disappointing his “god” Irving:

1. Himmler’s Posen Speech
http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/i-first-heard-recording-of-himmlers.html
“This is from A New Compendious German and English Dictionary by William Dwight Whitney, Henry Holt & Co., New York, 1887. (That is only two years before Hitler was born, and 13 years before Himmler.) Ausrotten and the noun derived from it, Ausrottung, historically have a range of meanings. The literal meaning of ausrotten is also its primary meaning, “root out.” “Eradicate” is simply a Latin-derived word that also quite literally means “root out.” “Extirpate” likewise is defined as “to pull up by the roots.” “Exterminate” had a meaning in 19th and early 20th century dictionaries that is no longer used: its primary meaning is to place outside (ex) the border (terminus); therefore “exterminate” in older usage need not mean killing. “Destroy” according to this German-English dictionary was a possible definition of ausrotten but not the most likely.

The Luther Bible has only one instance of the noun Ausrottung, but copious instances of the verb ausrotten. When one compares corresponding passages in the Luther Bible and English Bibles, one finds that where Luther used forms of ausrotten the English expression typically used is “cut off,” which means something like cast out or expel. Here are a couple of examples from the Luther Bible with English translation.”

2. Goebbels Diary Entry (which one?)(Please note the names Trevor Rope and Genoud, famous in the revision world for their fraud)

1. Goebbels diaries of the years 1942-43, Zürich, Atlantis 1948, 528 p., edited by Louis P. Lochner
According to Louis P. Lochner the 591 typewrited original pages have been found 1945 immediately after the end of the war by a rag collector in the court of the propaganda-ministry at Wilhelmsplatz and have been brought to a wastepaperdealer. Through the hands of different intermediaries the papers finally ended up in Lochner’s hands, who identified them as the original diary-entries of Dr. Goebbels und published them. (DER SPIEGEL No. 04/1951 + Fraenkel/Manvell Goebbels – a biography). Those pages of the diary include the passage of 27.03.1942.

2. Goebbels, Joseph: The Diaries, The complete fragments, edited by Elke Fröhlich on behalf of the Institut für Zeitgeschichte and in cooperation with the German Federal Archives, Saur 1987
This edition of the complete Goebbels Diaries is based on Lochner’s finding and the rest of the original diary pages, which have been searched for and found on the instruction of the [communist] GDR-government in the former Reichskanzlei [this building was blown up and torn down by the Sovjets from February 1949 on - but Irving writes in the introduction to his book The unknown Dr. Goebbels - The secret diaries 1938 that the communist GDR-government in 1969 conducted a investigation which they should have done decades ago: In this year 1969 they searched the ruins of Hitler's Reichskanzlei and found nine aluminium-boxes containing typewrited as well as handwritten Goebbels-diaries in miserable condition [p.9] How is that possible? The building had been destroyed 20 years ago by the Sovjets – the Führerbunker was not destoyed then, but it has been closely examined by the Sovjets and the other Allies (e.g. Trevor-Roper, then a MI6-officer) in order to find out what has happened to Hitler – they would certainly not have left behind nine aluminium-boxes with Goebbels’ diaries, I’m quite sure]
David Irving’s discovery of the original Agfa Autolith Microfiche-glass-copies of the diaries in 1992, which have been made on Goebbels’ instructions before the war ended and which are in the possession of the former secret Sovjet State Archives in Moscow, obviously confirms the authenticity of the Lochner finding, which is now at the Hoover Institution library in Stanford, California, as well as that of those diaries which have been found by the former [communist] GDR-government.
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3793&start=30

3. Hitler’s Final Testament Paragraph
In a related fakery (http://www.nobeliefs.com/HitlerSources.htm), the alleged document of Hitler’s Last Testament (supposedly a part of the table-talk), Genoud gave David Irving, a World War II historian, a copy of the complete typescript manuscript. Every page was “heavily amended and expanded in somebody’s hand-writing.” Genoud admitted it was his own, and later admitted to Irving that the entire typescript was his own confection saying, “But it is just what Hitler would have said, isn’t it?” In other words, Hitler’s Last Testament was a fake. http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/docs/Testament/byGenoud.html

That there was NOT a plan for extermination.

In 1989, the Soviets released much of the German documentation, death certificates, roll-calls, cremation lists, etc, that they had found at Auschwitz, in January 1945. The Germans had simply left this documentation when they evacuated. The Soviets, came across it and conveniently “lost it” in their archives for some 45 years. In 1989, Gorbachev presented it to the Red Cross who then “lost it” in archives in Bad Arolsen, Germany.
….
The Red Cross (International Tracing Service) has never provided statistics to the public, at large. This is because their numbers, totally contradict the HolyCo$t (holocaust) myth.

Charles Biedermann (Red Cross Delegate and Director of the International Tracing Service) testified (under oath) in a Canadian court case, that, as of December 31, 1976, the Red Cross had the names of only 357,190 individuals who died (of all causes) in the entire German concentration camp system.

Biedermann also confirmed that, as of December 31, 1983, that number had increased to 373,468 deaths (again, from all causes) in all of the camps http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_s5yaZ0Ye2Mo/RrU7Ouu69KI/AAAAAAAACkI/4Ody4MwX-WY/s1600-h/paage_1.jpg

Mark Weber MUST GO and all the morons who support him should either WAKE UP or leave with him!

Edward

December 17, 2013 at 9:48 pm

Here is an interview conducted by a White Nationalist (renegadebroadcasting.com), the man being interviewed is Mark Weber. Listen and decide who is standing for the truth, as Jesus Christ told us; “The truth shall make you free”. God Bless, and Merry Christmas

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/renegadebroadcasting/2013/12/17/the-blitzkrieg-broadcast

Dana

December 17, 2013 at 11:36 pm

Ok, here we go. First of all, it seems like people here didn’t really listen to what I actually said and are taking a position immediately respective to whether or not one considers Mark Weber to be a valuable person or not. Never once did I say revisionism is not important, in fact, I even went out of my way to mention the various implications it has in our society – after all, it isn’t called “the museum of tolerance” for nothing – anything related to nationalism, race, immigration, eugenics, always becomes a non-starter because of “the holocaust.” What I’m seeing here is characteristic of the movement in general, in that loyalty to individual personalities and factions becomes more important than the struggle/movement itself, and that is very disheartening. I am 30 years, and I obtained my first revisionist literature probably years before many of the people commenting here even heard of the subject. While I understand that countering the holocaust should be a rite of passage for any white racialist minded person, the idea that it ought to be the main focus is absurd – as we all know, there are many different elements to the cause, and people who are passionate about any one particular angle should follow and pursue that. As I said in this podcast, once I came to the conclusion that the Holocaust is largely post-war Jewish propaganda, like everything else they do, I lost interest. Its just another lie amongst many lies – “race does not exist” – this is probably just as damaging if not more than the Holocaust, and that is just beginning of a very long list. I think it is foolish to brush people off just because they are not saying what you would like to hear…I mean the way things are described here you would think Weber is paid salesman for the ADL or something, it just seems a little melodramatic to me. My other big problem with revisionism is that to me, it perpetuates the idea that the Jews were innocent – when you labor endlessly to prove no jews were harmed intentionally in WWII almost seems like a psychological insecurity to counter feelings of guilt, which is odd when the very same folks spend hours on end researching and promoting the idea that the Jews are a criminal people. This idea that the Germans were such humanitarians toward their own enemies is crazy to me. As Jim said said in Kyle’s last show with Weber, “if I thought the holocaust were true I would rip up my swastika and return to being a liberal,” – now I love Jim, but that really says it all to me. We have to recognize that this is a war – they have the upper hand now but when the day comes that we have power to exercise do not think for a second that they will not receive the full taste of what they have done to our race in return, as they say – and eye for an eye. But with all of that aside, I just want to thank Carolyn for having me on and I hope we can all continue to work together productively in future. This is the main reason I do not ever attack anyone personally in a public forum, because I feel we do not have enough people who are awake to pick and choose, alienate, or burn bridges. Everyone can contribute something.

Dana

December 18, 2013 at 12:06 am

Charles, if you are a racialist then by definition you agree to a collectivist outlook as opposed to individualist, that’s the socialist part of it. i have heard of “communitarianism” – the fact that a jew is behind yet another set of ideas with a name attached to it bears no relevance to us. Are we not striving to build a sense of community among whites? and to be honest I am sick and tired of hearing that NS would not work in America – I think eventually people will be crying out for it, as its long overdue. Most people are sheep, once something becomes fashionable the rest will follow. All the talk of individualism is ridiculous when one looks at how conformist and easily led by the nose most people are here in the U.S.

Alexander (from Flanders)

December 18, 2013 at 12:42 am

This was an excellent show. Everybody made good points. The only bad thing was that it ended too soon. I wanted to hear more.

I do hope that the White Network and Renegade Broadcasting can cooperate more with each other in the future. Invite each other over, do some cross pollination of ideas. Both networks are in my personal view the best that is out there, and I have listened to alot of different pro White shows over the last decade.

Alexander (from Flanders)

December 18, 2013 at 1:03 am

I also want to say that the holocaust (and World War 2) is extremely important if someone TRULY wants to understand what is happening to our people. We can not ignore it because the enemy keeps bringing it up on a daily basis. You Americans have a special weapon called FREEDOM of SPEECH. Use it! We in Europe have to walk on eggshells when it comes to that topic. It’s crazy over here…

I do recognise that you can not really use the holocaust to bring in the masses at this stage of the battle. I have tried and had some very limited succes with certain people, but it is far easier to use other topics to bring them (the masses) over to our side.

And finally I will say that there is something of a holocaust fatigue out there. Maybe our enemies have overplayed the whole thing, and people are starting to get annoyed by it. As if they are thinking in the style of: “Who cares about what happened a friggin’ century ago. Look at what is happening to us TODAY!”.

Carolyn

December 18, 2013 at 1:30 am

Alexander – cross pollinating or polluting?

endzog

December 18, 2013 at 5:43 am

Mark Weber Exposed: The Roadblock To Revisionism ~Carolyn Yeager:

http://endzog.wordpress.com/2013/12/18/mark-weber-exposed-the-roadblock-to-revisionism-carolyn-yeager/

Dietlef Busch

December 18, 2013 at 7:57 am

More on the “Goebbels diaries”, I quote:

“I was going to ask Professor Robert Faurisson if he had ever inquired about the authenticity of the alleged Goebbels diaries. But first I searched his blog, and found some relevant quotes about the “Goebbels diaries” from Mark Weber, given under oath in a Canadian courtroom in 1983:

The later entry, which I think is the 27th of March [1942], is widely quoted to uphold or support the extermination thesis. It is not consistent with entries in the diary like this one of March 7th, and it is not consistent with entries at a later date from the Goebbels diaries, and it is not consistent with German documents from a later date.

[…] there is a great doubt about the authenticity of the entire Goebbels diaries because they are written on typewriter. We have no real way of verifying if they are accurate, and the U.S. Government certified, in the beginning of the publication, […] that it can take no responsibility for the accuracy of the diaries as a whole.

[…] I think again it is worth mentioning that the passage of the 27th of March is inconsistent with the passage of the 7th of March and the one from April, and I don’t remember the date exact (Transcript, p. 5820-5821). Goebbels had no responsibility for Jewish policy. He wasn’t involved in that. He was the Propaganda Minister. He was involved only to the extent that there were Jews in Berlin and he was responsible for Berlin (p. 5822-5823).”
http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/goebbels-diaries-are-fake.html

Also see “Mark Weber must resign from the Institute for Historical Review” by Professor Robert Faurisson
http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/mark-weber-must-resign-from-institute.html

katana

December 18, 2013 at 8:29 am

Dana wrote: December 17, 2013 at 11:36 pm

“My other big problem with revisionism is that to me, it perpetuates the idea that the Jews were innocent – when you labor endlessly to prove no jews were harmed intentionally in WWII almost seems like a psychological insecurity to counter feelings of guilt, which is odd when the very same folks spend hours on end researching and promoting the idea that the Jews are a criminal people.”
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Dana, I’m not sure where you get the idea that revisionism perpetuates the idea that the jews were/are innocent. The Germans thought jews to be guilty of crimes to warrant them being expelled or incarcerated. That is a given and as a consequence most jews were rounded up and put in camps like any other group that were a threat to the Germans. To me it’s all about proving that the Germans are innocent of the alleged jewish “holocaust” crime. From that naturally flows the idea that the jews are guilty, at the very least, of creating and perpetuating a fraud against the German people of gigantic proportions and monstrous intent.

“As Jim said said in Kyle’s last show with Weber, “if I thought the holocaust were true I would rip up my swastika and return to being a liberal,” – now I love Jim, but that really says it all to me.”
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I agree, that does tell us something about Jim, that his understanding of the jewish menace is superficial in that it hinges on the truth about the alleged holocaust/hoax.

As I became aware the evil nature and deeds of jews while also realizing the “holocaust” was in fact a hoax I became increasing angry to the point of almost wishing that the damn jews were all gassed!

It’s a bizarre and disorientating journey to the truth about jews. From believing the standard jewish narrative that they are the world’s foremost innocent victims of persecution and misunderstanding, to nagging doubts, confusion and backsliding about them, as one starts to dig deeper into their behavior, to finally discovering the sickening ugly truth about these super criminals and their crowning super lie, the “holocaust”.

“We have to recognize that this is a war – they have the upper hand now but when the day comes that we have power to exercise do not think for a second that they will not receive the full taste of what they have done to our race in return, as they say – and eye for an eye.”
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I fully agree, this is a war that jews have declared on us and the rest of humanity.

“But with all of that aside, I just want to thank Carolyn for having me on and I hope we can all continue to work together productively in future. This is the main reason I do not ever attack anyone personally in a public forum, because I feel we do not have enough people who are awake to pick and choose, alienate, or burn bridges. Everyone can contribute something.”
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A problem with that line of thinking, if generally adopted, is it allows people spreading mis-info/disinfo to go on unchecked. Whether she is right or wrong in particular cases, Carolyn’s hard nosed approach is essential for exposing those types. Of course her approach is not for everyone and they should do their own thing and “contribute something”, as you say.

Bob in DC

December 18, 2013 at 8:44 am

Perfidious Dana:

“What I’m seeing here is characteristic of the movement in general, in that loyalty to individual personalities and factions becomes more important than the struggle/movement itself…”

Most here are loyal to TRUTH!

“I mean the way things are described here you would think Weber is [a] paid salesman for the ADL or something…”

If Iran really DID change its views on the holocaust hoax because of Mark Weber’s lies at the Tehran conference, whether or not he is paid, he is indeed an asset of kikejews. If true, he is guilty of treason against not only our White race, but also all of humankind, and deserves summary execution (after a fair trial)!

“This idea that the Germans were such humanitarians toward their own enemies is crazy to me.”

Who here has really made THAT claim? Remember: “War is hell!”

Bill Ryhes produced an ad hoc show yesterday on this, The Holohoax Legend/Religion.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/might-is-right

I agree with Carolyn Yeager and most of the others here that, as Americans still allowed freedom of speech, it is our RESPONSIBILTY to voice opposition to kikejews and their lies — especially the hoax of their ‘holocaust’ religion.

Bob
14/14

Carolyn

December 18, 2013 at 10:00 am

Wow, I’m taken aback, endzog. I laughed and laughed at your “cartoons.” But good job. I love the tough stance.

Joe Northpal

December 18, 2013 at 10:50 am

IHR is done, let it wail in it’s own throes of misery.
Leave your stepping stones behind, something calls for you
Forget the dead you’ve left, they will not follow you
The vagabond who’s rapping at your door
Is standing in the clothes that you once wore
Strike another match, go start a new
And it’s all over now, Baby Blue.

Charles

December 18, 2013 at 11:03 am

Dana,

I appreciate your remarks and do understand them. Individualism is overrated. However, Mark Weber did not choose to use the word “collectivist” in his essay. Just because you have heard of Communitarianism and know (only now, apparently) that it was created by a Jew does not mean you understand anything about it and how pervasive its influence already is across the globe, including the U.S. and how it actually does influence alternative news and alternative news radio hosts. When someone begins to use the word “communitarian,” it’s a definite sign that something else is being addressed than collectivism or National Socialism. The one is NOT a synonym of the other, so I suggest you study up on the subject before opining.

Do you really know how the Hegelian Dialectic works? Do you think ideas from National Socialism cannot be part of the thesis-antithesis-synthesis dialectic, that is, that it cannot be absorbed and altered by the cabalistic system already in motion?

If so, what’s your evidence for such a position?

Charles

December 18, 2013 at 11:47 am

Dana,

I don’t know why you don’t understand the focus on the Holocaust lie is so central. Your blasé view of it is in your self-described historical perspective is strictly American, pampered and selfish (IMO), since it contradicts your stated belief that everyone has something to contribute. That is, Ernst Zundel, Arthur Topham, Germar Rudolf, and too many others, in Canada, in Germany, in France, all over Europe, have been controlled by a Talmudic law whose faith lies in the Holocaust even s they too have contributed much to revisionism and to the exposing the Jewish lie. The Holocaust is a building stone for control and the demolition of free speech all over the world. The U.S. is the only country not to have succumbed — so far.

Are you not thinking of your fellow men and women outside your comfort zone who suffered terribly but worked courageously trying to expose the truth? Are you not thinking of the rights of White Europeans to be free from enslavement to a lie?

How deep is your ocean of understanding of history really?

Dave

December 18, 2013 at 7:28 pm

Very annoyed by this Dana person, whoever he might be, I thought he ruined the show to a certain extent; he clearly doesn’t know the first thing about either the history of the IHR nor the holocaust, yet he had the arrogance to constantly interrupt and talk over Germar Rudolf and Fritz Berg (who were fascinating as ever, and gentlemanly for not insisting you ditch the Dana). He even forgot Mr. Berg’s name at the beginning! What a piece of work!

Carolyn

December 18, 2013 at 9:07 pm

On the contrary, Dave, both Berg and Rudolf were glad someone with a different point of view was there and even agreed with him at times! I will keep doing these shows and I’m sure Berg with come back, and maybe even Rudolf. What GR related about Weber was fascinating, wasn’t it? He said he was speaking these things aloud publicly for the first time! He is full of surprises.

Don

December 18, 2013 at 9:27 pm

Too many white “activists” fail to understand the importance of the Holocaust fraud as one of the central pillars of Jewish oppression. Jews so tenaciously defend the Holocaust legend because they do understand its importance.

The Holocaust Industry is an international cartel that produces an income stream of billions of dollars derived from book royalties, shakedowns, tax payer subsidies, donations, etc. First and foremost, it’s a cash cow.

Second, it’s a club to beat whites over the head with endless agit prop about “intolerance”, “racism”, blah, blah, blah. An important part of this anti-white onslaught is the head on, full frontal assault on freedom of speech that is integral to the Holocaust fraud.

What other special interest group has the power to put people in jail for disagreeing with that group’s version of history and threatening that group’s income stream? None that I know of.

The last industry in American history that threatened dissenters with jail and physical violence for challenging its practices and threatening its income stream was the slave industry in the old south. The Holocaust Industry, that uses its economic and political power to jail its critics, is merely the modern version of the slave industry of the old South.

The Jews understand that history is as much a weapon as a bomb or a machine gun. Astonishingly enough, many so called white “leaders” utterly fail to understand this fact. Not for nothing do Jews put “Holocaust deniers” in jail. Jews understand that the Holocaust Legend represents, in so many ways, the soft underbelly of Jewish power, just as southern slave owners realized that potentially rebellious. slaves were the chink in their armor.

Weber understands all of this and this makes his perfidy and treachery all the more despicable. I attended the 2000 IHR conference and looking back over the years since then, Mark Weber is just about the only speaker at that event who hasn’t been put in jail. You think he hasn’t figured out the importance of the Holocaust fraud? I think he has. Weber is a traitor in the most despicable meaning of that word.

To abandon the fight against the Holocaust fraud is to abandon, in substantial part, the fight to save free speech. The Jews understand this. Too bad so many white activists do not.

Konrad Rhodes

December 19, 2013 at 12:03 am

Dear Dana,
I really don’t like to get involved in arguing much as I feel like I have been doing it my whole life but your comments that Jim stating he could not be a National Socialist if he believed the holocaust were true, well here is what you wrote

This idea that the Germans were such humanitarians toward their own enemies is crazy to me. As Jim said said in Kyle’s last show with Weber, “if I thought the holocaust were true I would rip up my swastika and return to being a liberal,” – now I love Jim, but that really says it all to me. We have to recognize that this is a war – they have the upper hand now but when the day comes that we have power to exercise do not think for a second that they will not receive the full taste of what they have done to our race in return, as they say – and eye for an eye.

Tell you what when the time comes you can be the one to do the dastardly deeds and be the baby killer that the holocaust believers and supporters tell us we are. I really am sick of non-whites and I don’t want to even be around or talk to the exceptions anymore. I have just had enough. I had enough of jews after my first encounter with a greasy, slick black haired Ashkenazi who conned me out of 15 cents when I was ten. Yes, that’s hilarious but it really did happen. BUT I cannot snuff out their kids. It is simply not something any Aryan could ever do willingly and this is the whole point of why, at least in my view, though I am sure most White Nationalists feel this way, that Revisionism is so crucially important. Dana I can’t help getting the feeling that you are stuck with the hollywood portrayals of evil nazis as being basically close to reality still in your head and that you feel a certain attraction to that and that version is what you see as powerful. The “scary evil nazi” that is a holocaust loving black metal teens wet nightmare.

NaziSozi

December 23, 2013 at 11:21 pm

Hey, look here, according to the jews themselves there were more jews after the holohoax than before the holohoax. It seems those evil Nazis were secretly breeding jews, haha, lol.

Jewish World Almanacs.

Jewish population 1933: 15,315,859

Jewish population 1938: 15,748,091

Jewish population 1948: 15,753,638

http://theendofzion.com/2013/01/20/population-of-jews-1938-15-748-million-1948-15-753-million/

Greg Gerdes

December 26, 2013 at 2:38 am

Carolyn, thank you for the great show – I really enjoyed it.

Mark Weber is a coward and a fraud, and I hope you continue to point those facts out to anyone who will listen.

Dana, if you’re reading this, please ask Weber if he has the answers to the latest N.A.F.H. challenge – which is:

$700.00 REWARD

* * * * *

Forensic Experts Skeptical About So-Called “Scientifically Proven” Graves / Human Remains At Illusory WW II Era Archaeology Sites

Introductory note: The National Association of Forensic Historians TM

( http://www.nafcash.com )

will remit a – $700.00 reward – to the first person who discovers the elusive answers to these

Seven Very Simple Investigatory Questions

About Four Suspiciously Vague Archaeological Investigations

(Legitimate scientists do not fear answering pertinent questions about their claimed discoveries.)

# 1 – Is it known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science that, at – Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka – there are extant graves in which actual human remains have literally been – physically unearthed / tangibly located – by legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators? – Yes. – or – No. __?__

# 2 – At Belzec, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date – no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

# 3 – At Chelmno, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

# 4 – At Sobibor, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

# 5 – At Treblinka, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

# 6 – Is it true or false that, in at least one of these four archaeological sites – there were actual trash and/or trash burning pits and/or latrine pits / trenches and/or water wells that were dug / used as such by the Germans – during their time of occupation? – TRUE. – or – FALSE. __?__

# 7 – Is it true or false that, in at least one of these four archaeological sites – there were numerous exploratory excavations dug by so-called “robbery diggers / treasure seekers,” and/or by Soviet / Polish investigators – after the time of German occupation? – TRUE. – or – FALSE. __?__

Visit – http://www.nafcash.com – for details on how to lay claim to the reward.

* * * * *

Please note that I will remit the entire reward amount to Weber without him having to have his answers endorsed by Roberto Muehlenkamp.

Thanks again Carolyn, and keep up the good fight.

Greg Gerdes

December 26, 2013 at 3:07 pm

Mark Weber not only explicitly says that he does not “deny” the “holocaust,” he implicitly says – by claiming that there were gas chambers at Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka – that there really was a Belzec holocaust, there really was a Sobibor holocaust and there really was a Treblinka holocaust.

He should be attacked, not just for the fact that he’s a liar, coward and fraud, but for the fact that he’s a sham “historian.” He makes claims that he cannot prove and cravenly refuses to defend. (How long is the list of people who are ready, willing and able to debate him – and who are calling him out, that Weber cravenly refuses to engage?)

If one can forget for the moment the crazy fact that he is a holohoax believer in charge of an ostensibly “revisionist” organization, and just focus on the fact that he is a horse-shit historian who espouses physically impossible lies, it adds to the many reasons why this weasel needs to be kicked to the curb and forced to go out and get a real job to support himself.

Mark Weber is a cancer and it should irk anyone in the holocaust truth movement that he is associated with us in any way, shape or form.

Carolyn, you are right to be irked by this parasites continued association with the holocaust truth movement – and I applaud your efforts to educate people on what a cancer this pathetic, extremely flawed individual is to historical truth.

Carolyn

December 26, 2013 at 5:38 pm

Good comment Greg, and yes he’s just another copy-cat, not a hard-working historian. Gee, we have an awful lot of those, don’t we?

Can you tell me who said something like this (it’s famous): To the question How could the holocaust (or gas chambers?) actually have happened, the answer is We know it could happen because we know it did happen. hahaha, it was a holocaust historian of some variety.

Greg Gerdes

December 26, 2013 at 7:05 pm

Thank you Carolyn. Let me throw in two more cents worth here. I’d like to address the issue of the IHR board members.

I’m sick and tired of hearing the excuse from them that their hands are tied and it’s all Mark Weber’s fault. Give me a break. No one with any integrity or character would remain on the board while Weber does what he does. My guess is they are drawing a salary too.

What other possible reason would any man or women with any pride or character remain on the board while Weber plays this charade? Is someone holding a gun to their heads and preventing them from resigning? Why not make a stand and resign en mass and make a public statement exposing Weber’s malfeasance and begging people to stop sending money to the IHR? What is the worse thing that could happen? What would happen if the institute of copy and paste disappeared like Weber’s mythical two million jews? Who would miss it? I can get the same copy and paste trash seen on the IHR wesite from Yahoo. I say good riddance to bad garbage.

Anyone on the board who lacks the courage, integrity and character to resign and publicly denounce Weber is aiding and abetting his fraud and malfeasance. Who are these board members? Let’s turn the heat up. Let’s get their names and challenge them to get off their lazy, do-nothing asses and get something constructive done here.

Carolyn

December 26, 2013 at 10:31 pm

Greg,
I’ve been thinking about the collapse of the IHR and you are right – the archived articles are the only things of value there. That entire archive should be copied to a server for safekeeping. As I understand it, CODOH has archived every JHR issue on its site. I think most of what is in the IHR archive was in the magazine, but probably not all of it. Anyway, there is nothing else of value there.

I noticed that there is a Merry Christmas message on the front page that reads:

To everyone whose support helped make 2013 a productive and successful year — a heartfelt Thank You.
Mark Weber
And the IHR Team

Productive? What “team?” He can’t include his board members on the team – a board is only supposed to be an oversight mechanism. No, I don’t think they’re being paid, it would have to appear on the IRS filing. And if he has any paid help he would have to include that on his 501 (?) form, and the only person listed as being paid is Mark. But absolutely, if the IHR disappeared, it would not be missed since it doesn’t do anything. Something new could rise up to take its place, in time.

 Greg Gerdes

December 27, 2013 at 12:28 am

BTW – I forgot to add that David Irving claims that about 2.4 million jews were murdered at Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka.

That is the kind of “historian” Mark Weber really is. How pathetic.

 Carolyn

December 27, 2013 at 11:55 am

Where does Irving claim that? A clear source, please. AFAIK he is only making suggestions and possibilities so far. His book has never come out.

 Greg Gerdes

December 27, 2013 at 1:27 pm

Carolyn, there are numerous sources for this. Here are but a few:

Jürgen Graf

http://inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2009/volume_1/number_2/david_irving_and_the_aktion_reinhardt_camps.php

His good buddy Alan Heath, video #1(At 2:02)

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0SO80tIwb1S4kQA.U6l87UF;_ylc=X1MDMjE0MjQ3ODk0OARfcgMyBGZyA3NmcC15ZmYyNARuX2dwcwMxMARvcmlnaW4Dc3ljBHF1ZXJ5A2FsYW4gaGVhdGggaW50ZXJ2aWV3IHlvdXR1YmUEc2FvAzE-?p=alan+heath+interview+youtube&fr=sfp-yff24&fr2=ond_moz_off&iscqry=

And there are numerous references to it on Codoh:

Paul Grubach’ letter:

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4563

and more:

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4558

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4548

BTW Carolyn, I posted something that Weber said in an interview earlier:

http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/imperium-europa-w-dana-antiochus-12-4-13/#comment-61354

At 1:00:28 – we hear:

“Mark Weber: …certainly the number of jews who died or lost their lives or were killed, total, is certainly more than maybe 2 million, but it’s less than 6 million.

Caller Jim: Oh really? Uh, but there were no homicidal gas chambers, am I correct on that?

Mark Weber: stammering … bla bla bla … (1:00:55) But I do believe, uh, the evidence shows, that there were gassings of jews at Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec … (1:01:14) but, my views on that are the same as, uh, David Irving and and some others…”

Was there something wrong with my posting that here? I don’t see it up anymore.

Thanks.

BTW, I wonder who Weber was referring to when he said – “some others?”

 Carolyn

December 27, 2013 at 7:12 pm

Greg, it would be better to quote the exact phrase or statement, then name the source with the link added … rather than expect people to read through a long article hunting for it. Same with the video, exactly what does it say, when? The thing is, these are not words that came directly out of Irving’s mouth, as in, *It is my conclusion that 2.4 mil. Jews were murdered at B, T and S.* So he did not exactly claim it … yet, but other people are asking him to clarify himself … which he won’t do.

It’s a lot like Weber when, after writing his “Holocaust revisionism is a hindrance” essay, he refused to state clearly whether or not he would continue with it at the IHR. He talked around it, and is still doing so.

As to the show at Renegade, I already talked about this on another comments page, and on a radio program. So I didn’t see the purpose in repeating it. Seemed like overkill. Your pointing out Weber’s “some others” is really interesting though. I take that as an indication that he is NOT always responsible in his attribution of sources of information, but here he’s trying to make it seem like it’s a responsible position to take. I guess what you mean is that “some others” must mean jews or establishment believers.

 John Beattie

December 27, 2013 at 7:21 pm

“Schindler’s List was on the other night. Did you guys see it ? ” This was the trap set by two “chaperons” from social agency, to accompany me on my weekend short visits with daughter. Mother had just passed away, and the state not want me to have my 13 year old live with me, as I smeared all life as a vicious NEO. One of the two agents, a massive goon, to assure I did not attempt to kidnap her in broad daylight, at an eatery, which I paid for ! The opening question trap, was casually, but pointedly, asked during hamburgs. Before I could say a careful word, my 13 year old blurts out : ” I saw it.It was boring “. She could not have seen it earlier in life while being home schooled by me and my wife, as we did not have hydro ! Get the significance of her immediate answer: ” ….it was boring “. The agents sat in stunned silence. Overkill has killed their goose, and the egg is no longer golden. The youth of today could care less. I rest my opinion. Thank you for freedom of speech.

 Greg Gerdes

December 27, 2013 at 8:08 pm

Carolyn,

According to Matthew Taylor of – The Guardian, the following words came directly out of David Irving’s mouth on or about the evening of Sept. 26, 2007:

“In my opinion now the real killing operations took place at the Reinhardt camps west of the Bug river. In the three camps here [Sobibor, Belzec, and Treblinka] Heinrich Himmler’s men (mostly Ukrainian mercenaries) killed possibly as many as 2.4 million in the two years up to October 1943.

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I do accept that the Nazis quite definitely, that Heinrich Himmler, organised and directed a programme, a clandestine programme, for the liquidation of European Jews … and that in 1942-43 alone over 2.5 million Jews were killed in those three camps.”

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/sep/29/secondworldwar.highereducation

Hope that helps.

BTW, I don’t know if Matthew Taylor has a recording of this meeting, but I would assume that he does. I don’t know if he is still with The Guardian (or even if he is still alive), but here is some contact information:

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 Greg Gerdes

December 27, 2013 at 9:53 pm

Dana:

“…As I said in this podcast, once I came to the conclusion that the Holocaust is largely post-war Jewish propaganda, like everything else they do, I lost interest. Its just another lie amongst many lies

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I mean the way things are described here you would think Weber is paid salesman for the ADL or something,”

Well then Dana, if, as you say: “the Holocaust is largely post-war Jewish propaganda” and “just another lie amongst many lies”

would you please explain to me why Mark Weber says that there really was a Belzec holocaust, there was a Sobibor holocaust and there was a Treblinka holocaust?

Can you explain to me Dana why he says there were homicidal gas chambers in those three camps and why he says he agrees with David Irving on the issue – who claims that about 2.4 million jews were murdered in those three camps by means of alleged homicidal gas chambers and “machine gunning them into pits”? ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qocBt6lJApo )

Can you explain to me Dana, why Weber cravenly refuses to answer questions about his claims and espouses what you say is propaganda and lies?

Can you explain to me Dana, why, if the holocaust is a lie, you have a liar on your show and you don’t call the liar on his lies?

You need to pull your head out Dana.

BTW Dana, have you asked Weber to answer the 7 questions I posted above?

 Carolyn

December 27, 2013 at 10:04 pm

Hope that helps.

Yes it does, very much.