A major monument honoring Poles in the center of Berlin? Never!

The Germans will always be kept down.

when will you throw off the chains of your enemies and seek out your own destiny? When will your people produce great classical music, art, literature, architecture, far advances into the world of science and engineering again? Gemany has always been at the front of the line until the all lies beat the Fatherland into submission and brainwashed the surviving citizens into accepting ideas and values foreign to their way of life. Look at any person of German heritage or citizenship and what will you see? Extremely intelligent, beautiful adults and children, hard working, industrious, meticulous and exacting in all fields of work. I hope to live long enough to see a truly free Germany where all the freedoms including freedom of speech is a way of life and not dictated by people in power that  have no interest in the welfare of the people. 

 I found a good book on life in occupied Poland, 'The New Order in Poland' (1942) by Simon Segal. I say good because, while Segal doesn't paint a flattering picture of the Germans, he doesn't allege that the Germans gassed the Jews. (Most wartime books don't mention it at all, the main exception being books written by the Polish Government in Exile or Jews such as Rafael Lemkin). The word 'gas' or 'gas chamber' doesn't appear in the book, and 'extermination' - in the sense of mass murder - only appears in the introduction, which was written by an American.

That's as good as it gets for books written on Poland in the war.

I like these passages on the banning of the ritual slaughter of animals in occupied Poland.

Reading this account of the behaviour of North African immigrants in today's Germany, I'm sure that many Germans would like Hans Frank back. But they can't say so...

The Poles are almost as good at playing the victim as the Jews, and are equally reticent admitting their own past crimes. When do the Poles admit guilt for the forced uprooting and transfer of the Carpatho-Rusyn/Lemko/Ruthenian people from their ancestral home in southern Poland (Polish claimed land, anyway) to Ukraine after the war ended in what was known as Operation Vistula? Entire vilages depopulated and razed (admittedly some were left to stand) with the housing of horses and farm animals in Orthodox churches, and the deaths of some who resisted. When do they admit this attrocity let alone make repartions for it? Don't hold your breath.

To Carolyn,

I was stunned when I read your article about the Polish memorial in Berlin. Hadn't heard of such a proposal before. After the first monster possibly a second one in the middle of the German capital. Germans who discuss such an absurdity simply ignore the common history with Poland.  After reading it, it took me 24 hours to find my composure again.

I am not a friend of the AFD, but perhaps this is the only - but lengthy - way to regain our sovereignty as a German nation.  There are many stumbling blocks in the way. We would be truly sovereign if we could also succeed in loosening the firm grip of the chosen ones.

Well, if there exists a convincing amount of historical revisionism that can prove that the crimes described in the two Wikipedia articles : "Nazi crimes against the Polish nation" and "War crimes in occupied Poland during World War II" never happened (and not in the form of a cheap statement : "Jews and Poles always lie"), what is stopping the revisionist community to plead their case to the German Government, or at least the AfD? Does such revisionism about Poland exist?

It all comes down to propaganda! Most people don't know that during the expulsion of Germans from their homes in what is now Poland, hundreds of thousands of  Germans were sadistically hacked up to pieces! 100% taboo subject!

The Poles are always the victims, we're told!

Just what we need, another monument to victims...like that ugly Holocaust memorial, which  German Chancellor Schroeder (before Merkel) derided...one of the few things I liked about him.  I'm getting tired of hearing about the poor Poles. First of all, they stole Pomerania, Silesia, and East Prussia, and should give it back. When Stalin and Hitler partitioned Poland in 1939, Stalin took back millions of Ukrainians who had been assigned to Poland after the Versailles treaty. Also, for all of Poland's weeping about Nazis, when Hitler took over the Sudeteland, the Poles happily took off a slice of it.

I don't doubt some terrible atrocities were comitted by the Nazis against the Poles, and I think Hitler should have cultivated Poland as an ally. A Wehrmacht invading Russia with a few hundred thousand Poles by their side would have been much better. I just get tired of Poles wanting reparations, money, this, that...like everyone in Europe. Germany is their milch cow.

I read a book, Faust's City, a supposed history of Berlin written by some 'smart' New York woman. It's 700 pages spent 400 on Nazis. Nazis, Nazis...and the opening chapters asserted Berlin originally belonged to Poland. It was no surprise her boyfriend was Polish. That book was insufferable.

Poland and Germany have had a troubled relationship, but as Sebastian Haffner aserted in his history of Prussia, they actually worked well together for a long time, and if you recall Teodor Fontane's novel Vor Der Sturm, Prussian and Polish artistocratic families got along.

I recall what Hans Schmidt wrote in SS Panzergrenadier: ''The Polish elite still suffers from delusions of grandeur, and their leaders forget that history has placed their unfortunate nation in the vise of Germany on one side and Russia on the other. Under these circumstances, Poland can never be truly independent.' He also added how Poles like to claim Germans like Copernicus as one of their own. Schmidt went on: '...they (Poland) always seem to look for friends abroad: in the nineteeneth century it was the French Government; before World War II among the British, and just now (in 2001), they believe the United States is the gauantor of their independence.' Schmidt felt the U.S. would dump Poland in a heartbeat if it's in our interests, and the current adulation of Poland for America is sad...the neocons seem determined to build Poland as a 'buffer' against Russia. Ft. Trump?  I note how the Jews really inserted themselves in the Polish state since the 1600s, and seem to do so now.

I don't dislike Poles personally, but I get tired of their nationalistic sniping, and now wanting to stick this damned memorial in Berlin...and of course, they'll want more money, won't they? 

At least in Berlin they've almost rebuilt the old Schloss. That's the kind of architecture they need in Berlin.

Carolyn: I was expecting a reproof from you, and I accept it. I need to read more about the problems of the German Polish border from 1920-1939. The incident at Gleiwitz, where it was said Germans dressed as Poles initiated the attack. I will read into it, and it's such a testament of faith that to challenge it is heresy. 

So much has been ignored about the border problem. Many of the Freikorps were organized to conteract the Poles, and yet nothing is told about this. I read a book, The German Wars, by  Goodspeed, a Canadian historian, one of whose major arguments was WWI was chiefly caused by France, who wanted to get back Alsace-Lorraine at all costs.  Also, he noted how ruthless and bloody the Serbian government was, not the 'Little Servia' the British portrayed as an innocent little country.

Our big problem is there is no history taught. WWII is less history then demonology. 

When I was in college, I remember one older German professor who was absolutely furious about the treatment of Germans in the Sudetenland and Poland after WWII. He was just livid over what happened and was never talked about. The rest of the faculty regarded him as a bit weird.

Concluding, I'd like to give this quote  in Paul Johnson's Modern Times:

'On 10 Janaury 1946 the Tory MP and diarist 'Chips' Channon attended a society wedding in London and remarked to another guest, Lady 'Emerald' Cunard, how quickly normal life had been resumed. "After all," I said, pointing to the crowded room, "this is what we have been fighting for." "What," said Emerald, "are they all Poles?"'