The Heretics' Hour: What makes the Slavs tick?

Markus

April 1, 2014 at 3:18 pm

Why is it regarded a bad thing to talk about Slavic-Germanic history and all the territorial changes, expulsions etc?

When we speak of Alsace Lorraine being either German or French, or Southern Tyrol either German-Austrian or Italian, there is no outcry about disunity either.

Is White Nationalism, pan-Slavism with Western Europe and North America attached to it in some peoples view?

Where are the Slavic WN that pledge to repatriate Germans to their homes in Poland, Slovenia, Russia, Croatia etc? Or is there any plan to restitute the percecuted Germans?

It seems, Germany and the West are merely good enough to pay for impoverished Slavic lands or offer them access into Western Europe and America. Is White Unity a one-way street?

Armor

April 1, 2014 at 4:57 pm

Markus: “When we speak of Alsace Lorraine being either German or French”

The quarrel has been settled.
Alsace Lorraine is now officially Arabo-African.

Carolyn

April 1, 2014 at 9:42 pm

Markus – Just because people are White, why should it mean that they all want the same thing? We’ve gotten ourselves into this concern about “saving the White race,” which turns every person with White skin into something precious, whereas it certainly didn’t used to be so. Do the Slavs have more children than in the West? No. Do they do a better job of fighting off the Jews? No. Do they have lots of trashy people in their midst that they ship into Europe to collect welfare? Yes! Do they constantly need aid and assistance? Yes. Do they have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to the West? Yes!

I am tired of these people playing their victim cards. I think Germanic peoples should come together and celebrate their culture, work together to throw off our rotten “leaders,” encourage having larger families, and follow the good examples that Hitler’s National-Socialist nation set. Like America USED TO BE, we should be a model for others to look to and imitate, not a servant to them. This would take a very proud attitude, which we are discouraged from having. It comes down to moral legitimacy. Only we can give it to ourselves. I appreciate your attitude which seems to be “Hell with the detractors.”

Markus

April 2, 2014 at 12:15 am

Yeah, I can’t stand that either.

The GDR was the most successful country of the entire Eastern Bloc, so it’s not Communism’ fault. Same in Capitalism, Germany and the other Germanic nations are most successful under that Jewish scam also.

Imagine Russia managed by Germans. There is so much oil, water, agriculture, minerals, etc. work, work, work. Why is Russia not the most advanced country in the world? Oh yeah, I know. Because Hitler thought they were Untermenschen, so it’s his fault.

Na Ztrovye!

Markus

April 2, 2014 at 11:49 am

I don’t mean to flood the comments here, but to all traditionalists that believe in conservative gender roles, namely the man is the head of the household and makes the final decision, while the woman enjoys his protection and is in charge of the daily life.

Germany: Fatherland
Russia: Motherland

Carolyn

April 2, 2014 at 9:56 pm

Andreas Wesserle wrote this to me this morning. He writes in his own kind of shorthand, so I’ve filled out the words and put it onto separate lines.

It was fun, Carolyn. But I forgot three points.
1. In the 18th century, in Weimar, the historian-thinker J.G.Herder (orig.from E.Prussia) correctly said that
(a) there were many chosen peoples, not ONE;
(b) language determined peoples’ culture.
Herder strongly influenced Slavic writers, also those studying at the Lutheran University of Jena (2nd half 18th century).

2. One of the best known was the Slovak John Kollar (the Slovaks were part of Hungary until 1919). In his classics: “Slavy dcera” (The Daughter of Slava, in which the latter is a semi-divine Slav-Mother) and “The Reciprocity Between The Tribes & Dialects of the Slavic Nation,” Kollar falsely threw all “Slavs” into one Big Cauldron. Wrong. In 1848 this led to the (Austro-Hungarian) Pan-Slav Congress of Prague (in a city which had been predominately German since the 14th century) which drew a line from the Western shores of the Baltic to the eastern coast of the Adriatic (Trieste), east of which all the non-Slavs, particularly Germans & Hungarians, were to be driven out. That’s what happened from 1919 to 1946, with Roosevelt’s help.

3. In the last 3000 years or more,the 3 “peoples” that have contributed most to the buildup of culture have been:
A. In the first place the ancient Greeks;
B. the “Italics”, the Romans and, after about 700 A.D.,the present day Italians;
C. The Germans, with our Holy Roman Empire, the colonization of the East, all the way to Estonia & Bulgaria, the greatest thinkers & muse- servants since the ancient Greeks.
QUESTION: Will this Good be revived and strengthened? CORDIALLY, Andreas

Me to “Dan Bondwell”: Your email address is entirely fictitious so I imagine your name is too, though your computer is in Sweden. I don’t post comments from fake email addresses. You praise “Andreas Wesserle’s excellent presentation of various trends in the slavic world.” Then you say that I, Carolyn, try to make the Slavs into one bunch. From my experience, and Wesserle’s too, it seems, it is actually the Slavs themselves who do that. So very many identify themselves as “Slavic,” and stick together under that name. Then there is the Pan-Slavic idea which is still alive and well. You say that being Slavic means no more than hair color, and that it’s only their languages that are similar, but nothing more. I wonder how you know that and invite anyone with genuine credentials to offer an opinion on this.

Markus

April 2, 2014 at 10:24 pm

Carolyn,

I am well aware of this “Generalplan West” (1848 Pan-Slavic Congress of Prague). Unlike Germany’s alleged Generalplan Ost, this one is real. A little secret that we are not supposed to talk about, but instead feel sorry for the Slavs, how bad Germans treated them.

Also, Bulgarians are Finno-Hungarians racially but speak a Slavic language. FYI

Carolyn

April 3, 2014 at 12:02 am

The Bulgarians are the Bulgars, right?
Well, I just found out they were proto-Bulgarians, and a semi-nomadic Turkic tribe. That certainly fits with the Hungarians, but they and the Finns don’t speak a Slavic language. The language makes the difference to the culture, said Herder.

Markus

April 3, 2014 at 1:09 am

Etymology.com

Bulgaria (n.)
Medieval Latin, from Bulgari “Bulgarians,” perhaps literally “the men from the Bolg,” the River Volga, upon whose banks they lived until 6c. But the people’s name for themselves in Old Bulgarian was Blugarinu, according to OED, which suggests a different origin. In other sources [e.g. Room], the name is said to be ultimately from Turkic bulga “mixed,” in reference to the nature of this people of Turko-Finnish extraction but Slavic language.

…language as basis for ethnicity is a good rule of thumb, but doesn’t always apply. There are also generally two factions of Slavic parties. Those that rather work with Germans (Croats, Slovaks, Ukrainians, Bulgarians) and Russians and Serbs. A third category swings between either side or tries to be a block by themselves (Poland, Czechs, Slovenia).

To be fair, the Germanics are similar with Germany, Britain and Scandinavia mainly.

The difference between pan-Germanism and pan-Slavism is that pan-Germanism doesn’t imply buddying up the Germanic tribes to force the Slavs out of a certain area. The Pan-Slav Conference was all about forcing Germans out of Central and Eastern Europe.

German colonialization in Slavic countries was always coinhabitating lands in Russia or Central or South-Central Europe.