The Heretics' Hour: The Ethnic State and NAPOLA

Markus

June 25, 2013 at 4:44 am

NS Germany’s stance toward Blacks had two faces. Blacks were not part of the German Aryan race and were generally of no concern of the German government or people. This might have changed during the total onslaught on Germany, when Germany needed allies and dissident Blacks from French and British jurisdictions who wanted to fight their oppressors were welcomed in the SS.

BUT, so called Afro-Deutsche, Blacks from former German colonies within Germany and overseas in these former German colonies enjoyed a kind of special relationship and the German government maintained responsibility for them (at least within Germany itself). Hitler wanted to regain the German colonies and integrate the native people into the Reich again, as part of revising the Diktat of Versailles.

When Hitler spoke bad of the Rhein-Neger in Mein Kampf, who he disliked, he referred to French-African mercenaries that occupied the Rheinland on orders from Paris and not Afro-Deutsche.

Afro-Deutsche were subject to the Nuremberg race laws (not initially but in a later amendment if I recall correctly), but as far as I know, they did not loose their German Reichsangehörigkeit. A legal status lower than citizenship, but a dependent of the German state, as it was regulated in the Kaiser Reich already.

This is similar to Black Americans. While White Americans have no concern of Africans in Congo or so, they have (or had before emancipation) a responsibilty for American Blacks within their borders and under their jurisdiction.

Other than in the US, there never was slavery under German protection of their colonies. The White-Black relationship in Germany and the colonies was not difficult therefore. The Kaiser also didn’t conquer the colonies to plunder them like the British did, but purchased them and protected the natives from British-Judeo empirialism and developed the colonies in the same way the Austro-Germans developed much of Eastern Europe in Slavic lands.

Many Black American GI’s have said how they enjoyed being in Germany. Jesse Owens also reported how well he was treated in Germany. This does not mean that Blacks ought to settle in Germany in masses, like they now do, or that they become equal or supreme to the Germans, but that Germans welcome nonthreatening non-Aryans as guests or dependents within their realm under their terms.

Gypsis and Jews on the other hand were generally speaking a threat to Germany and thus lost their privileges.

Carolyn

June 25, 2013 at 10:35 am

Afro-Deutsche were subject to the Nuremberg race laws (not initially but in a later amendment if I recall correctly), but as far as I know, they did not loose their German Reichsangehörigkeit. A legal status lower than citizenship, but a dependent of the German state, as it was regulated in the Kaiser Reich already.

That tells you right there – “a legal status lower than citizenship.” Reichsangehörigkeit simply means a kind of membership in the Reich. There was a sense of responsibility felt and accepted toward these negroes, but they were not in any way equal to Germans.
From Richard Evans, The Third Reich in Power, 2005, p. 526-8: “In reaction to the so-called Rhineland bastards, some 500 Afro-German children in the Rhineland were subject to forced sterilization.”

You should give some sources for what you write. The German people tend to be far too undiscriminating when it comes to black people, and the National Socialist hierarchy knew it. The problem was not having some of them around, the problem was sexual mixing. That was clearly denounced. It is again about maintaining racial purity.

Markus

June 25, 2013 at 11:59 am

The German people were far too undiscriminating against Afro-Germans, because there were only a few 1,000 in the entire Reich. Far too few to segregate and have them live in their own towns.

Most Germans had no idea what a negro look like in real life. The Afrikaschau traveled from city to city like a circus to demonstrate African anatomy and culture. The Afro-Deutsche were also only part of Germany for 1or2 generations, when Germany acquired the colonies in the late 1800′s.

There was no century old parallel societies of Whites and any significant number of Blacks as it is in the US.

Carolyn

June 25, 2013 at 2:16 pm

I’m very sorry! I should never depend on my memory, any more. I said that Leopold Wenger was 16 1/2 when he entered the Napola Köslin, but he was 18 1/2! I was recalling his birth date as 1923 (23 was his age at death), but it was November 1921. I was wondering how he could join the Luftwaffe at the end of 1939, when you had to be 18 years of age to join the military. My bad. I’m really glad I caught that.

Another mistake I made was to say my current posting covers two months of letters. Wrong! It’s only one month – April 20 to May 18.

Anthony Lynch

June 25, 2013 at 7:33 pm

Correct me if I’m wrong, but this entire debate sounds like tedious hair splitting. Granted there are some who emphasize racial identity and others, such as Carolyn who are clearly emphasizing national ethnicity, however, there are many of us in the middle who advocate BOTH racial and ethnic solidarity, respectively. I don’t think one is incompatible with the other.

Carolyn, I would challenge your repeated mention of the European Union as some sort of “rebutal” to the concept of white racial solidarity. The EU has never been pro white or racially conscious so your critique is lost on me. Again, correct me if I am misunderstood.

In the 1980s Europe and America exerted pressure on White South Afrikaans to surrender to hordes of communist negros. Why? Why would majority White countries force a pro white ethnic state to submit to vile negros? And what if Golden Dawn or Jobbik has success in creating an ethno state, what will ensure they do not end up with similar fate? hThe answer is white racial awareness and solidarity. If we had it in the 1980s we would not have betrayed our race in South Africa.

Hell, if we had White solidarity in the 30s we might not have slaughtered Germany for benefit of jews. Just a thought.

Lurker

June 26, 2013 at 12:25 am

Have to agree with Markus there. The EU is in no way an expression of pan-Euro solidarity. The leaders of the EU would love to bring Turkey into the EU for example. Its an entirely top-down enterprise pushed by politicians, bureaucrats, think-tanks, big business – the usual suspects.

Carolyn

June 26, 2013 at 9:43 am

The EU is in no way an expression of pan-Euro solidarity.

If you’re under the impression that anyone here at The White Network equates the two, you are misled. Please pay attention to the wording of these comments. I spoke on the program about the history of calls for a “United States of Europe” just to draw attention to the popularity of the idea among “world changers” and damp-eyed progressives. And also among those who calculate advantages for themselves.

Carolyn

June 27, 2013 at 12:13 pm

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/three-prominent-europeans-challenge-germany-to-fix-euro-crisis-a-907729.html

Three influential Europeans from Luxembourg, Spain and Poland call on Germany to lead the euro zone out of the crisis without pursuing its own interests.
Germany’s stance on efforts to save the euro is being increasingly perceived as being unreasonable, and not just on the streets of Athens or Madrid. According to a recent poll, a majority of citizens in Italy, Poland and the Czech Republic believe that Germany is the most arrogant power in Europe. And virtually all Europeans, except the French and, of course, the Germans, feel that Germany shows the least amount of solidarity among European Union countries.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. These weaker countries (always weaker!) want Germany to bail them out again and again — they actually believe, like Israel, that Germany should have to serve them forever because of WW2. This is why I call it “just calculating advantages for themselves” and then transferring that motive from themselves to Germans.

The Pole they interviewed, Foreign Minister Sikorski, who is married to the Jew Anne Applebaum, said:

“The interest rates on euro bonds, which would be issued by the entire euro zone, would be very close to those of German government bonds and a great deal lower than rates on Greek or Spanish bonds,” he says.

However, Sikorski, like Asselborn and González, doesn’t believe euro bonds will become a reality. “That would require political courage and an openness to risk, which German taxpayers aren’t yet able to muster at the moment,” he says.

Unbelievable. Only the Germans would be hurt by this but, according to these euro parasites, not hurt badly enough yet. Germany should put the euro ahead of it’s own well being. That is actually national suicide. There is a lead story on today’s Spiegel Online that Germany’s infrastructure is deteriorating because of money not being spent on it.

I am reading that Merkel is coming to be out of step with her own very pro-eurozone party now – the CDU wanting to do whatever is necessary to make Germany more European, less German! (This, too, is because of WW2 guilt in these Germans’ minds.) Merkel is having a change of heart, it’s said, and applying the brakes. Well, I hope so and I hope she won’t give in at this upcoming big meeting, and that this is not just PR talk to pacify the voters.

P.S. Another thing is that both the first two politicians Spiegel interviewed, from Luxembourg and Spain, are Socialists. Socialists are all over Europe and they love handouts!

Carolyn

June 28, 2013 at 9:44 am

To Anthony Lynch: When you have something relevant to say, rather than repeating the same words already used several times over, I”ll post your comment.

And let me say that if I want to write about the Eurozone difficulties within the European Union, I certainly may.

No one is against White racial solidarity. What is your plan to bring that about? Magic? Wishful thinking?

Carolyn

June 28, 2013 at 11:35 am

A correspondent writes that National Alliance’s Erich Gliebe has put Dr. Pierce’s land up for sale, for $699,000. Anyone know more about this great example of White solidarity or about what other Great White American Leaders have to say about it?

http://www.property4u.com/listings/4998datasheet.htm

dennis

June 28, 2013 at 12:51 pm

The disbursement from the estate of the deceased Canadian to the National Alliance was discussed on CBC radio yesterday.They had an interview with a spokesman from the SPLC discussing the prevention of it.

John Beattie

June 28, 2013 at 3:20 pm

Absolutely pathetic the loss of Dr. Pierce’s material legacy. Can’t all be blamed on greed. What about faithful followers of Dr. Pierce: why did THEY let this happen ? Easy for me to say up here hiding in the woods of central Ontario. But just the same, surely true believers of Dr. Pierce could have challenged the seller, even if meant in regular court system.
While here, squeaking in that Human Rights crap law controlling ” offensive” internet speech has just been killed by the Conservative Government of Canada, July 26th. Certain yids and liberals fought against this viciously but they LOST. Point being Beattie ? Jews and liberals do NOT control Canada. Yes Harper kisses the usual asses politicians love to kiss. But in this matter, true and total victory for and from an Anglo Saxon Prime Minister. The yids and liberals truly outfoxed on this one ! So let’s hear a cheer of optimism, instead of the usual doom and gloom in many Patriot circles.
Back to the historical property pioneered by Dr. Pierce and his best followers: thank God we still have the owner of this Web Site, and yes ” Don of Mexican occupied Southern California ” .

John Beattie

June 28, 2013 at 4:17 pm

And is this what some members of THE ORDER rotted and died for in prison, under tortuous conditions ? THE ORDER paid for the land for Dr. Pierce. Those bravest of the brave died so Dr. Pierce’s land could end up on the Real Estate Market, all for a fly-by-nighter ?

Carolyn

June 28, 2013 at 9:20 pm

The disbursement from the estate of the deceased Canadian to the National Alliance was discussed on CBC radio yesterday.They had an interview with a spokesman from the SPLC discussing the prevention of it.

Do you have a link to that radio program? I couldn’t find it. What is happening just shows how negligent all the Pierce-associated WN’s have been all these years to allow this situation to go on, while saying there was nothing they could do. To me, it is basically an unwillingness to take on responsibility. Now they seem satisfied to point the finger at Gliebe and call him ugly names — a lot of good that does.
http://natallnews.net/2013/06/27/thief-gliebe-puts-dr-pierces-property-up-for-sale/

Jews will have no trouble coming up with $700,000 to buy it up.

Franklin Ryckaert

June 29, 2013 at 10:16 am

@ John Beattie,

“…THE ORDER paid for the land for Dr. Pierce…”

Yes, but how did the Order, that organization of lofty idealists, acquire that money in the first place? Robbery of armored cars and banks and counterfeiting! Hmm, is losing such money again not an illustration of how the law of karma works?

John Beattie

June 29, 2013 at 11:56 am

Taking back from banks via Brinks, might be considered by many as merely acquiring back what the banks burdened on the backs of the little people, by the tap of a keyboard. Where does Royalty get its money from ? Where do empires get their money from ? Counterfeit money is what the government produces, so no loss there. Our Race is dying. Any means are justified to save our people. Mr. Ryckaert sounds like a civil servant, in the literal meaning of same.