Saturday Afternoon: World War Two Revisionism with Piotr Zychowicz

Markus

November 16, 2013 at 10:52 pm

I was very pleased to hear a Polish man revising at least some of Poland’s history in WW1,2 and now.

Germany’s occupation of Poland irritates the Poles. I understand that, but them occupying the Corridor and quasi-controlling Danzig is not a problem in their view which preceded the conflict. And the complete expulsion of 15 mio Germans is completely taboo in Poland and they just love to blame Germans for everything instead.

My Jewdar is detecting a double standard!

Ukraine for Poland in a German-Polish alliance was reasonable. The stubborn Poles would have gotten the bread basket in exchange for peace with Germany against the International Bolshevists. Hitler offered the Poles the best part to please them. Hitler was always capable of making concessions for peace. Germany also had a great interest in Antarctica and taking Northern Russia might be part of securing the poles altogether. Polish-Ukraine as a trade partner would have suffice German interests in securing Lebensraum.

The Polish-BRD relations today are totally fake. The BRD pays Poland large sums of reparations, EU subsidies, outsources German factories to Poland and the FRG takes all the blame which is flattering for Poland, while the Eastern territory question is entirely silenced. It was fake-settled by a constant BRD policy since Willy Brand to give it up. The flourishing trade is mostly based on EU globalism that outsourced German jobs to cheap labor Poland. It is not in the interest of Germans. And Merkel’s banking policy is in servitude to the International Jew, not Berlin.

If Germany ever gets a peace treaty in which Posen, Pommernaia, Silesia’s etc borders are settled, I would accept to give them up and leave as it is if the Poles accept responsibility for WW2 for their foolish Unreal-Politik and don’t pretend anymore that those lands belong to them for some legit reason.

Carolyn correctly stated that Africans, Turks etc flood the Western and Southern EU, while the Eastern EU is not attractive to them. In fact, many Poles, Romanians etc themselves flood the Western and Southern EU just like the non-Whites.

While I’m open to a White European Union and it’s less problematic if only Poles, Bulgarians etc would flood the richer EU countries, let’s not deny who benefits from being in the EU!

The BRD pays 28% of the EU’s budget but has no more voting rights than Malta. If you want a democratic EU, the BRD or Germany should have 20-30% representation in the EU parliament and Malta maybe one seat.

After being done with my rant, I want thank this Polish patriot again for having the courage to look at the things openly and critically. I also like a personality and typical Polishness.

Goldstein

November 16, 2013 at 11:18 pm

Great to see people like Piotr trying to bring some sense to the Poles. Unfortunately- I am myself partly Polish- the Poles are not the clevarest people on planet earth. I had to chuckle when he said the Poles think they are the Christ among the nations. I guess insignificant countries like Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Bolivia believe they are the center of the universe too. I don’t want to be cruel, but what cultural-scientific contributions has Poland given to the world?

weichseler

November 17, 2013 at 2:14 am

This was a most interesting interview. Mr. Zychowicz, a rather young looking historian, whose English is very good, came across as a rather candid and forthright person. His historical assessment of the 2nd World War is basically correct, and his critique of Poland’s former leadership is certainly true. His understanding of Polish psychology and the Polish mindset, and his willingness to discuss it is also commendable.

I, for one, would really like to know the truth about what actually occurred in the Generalgouvernment of Poland during the war. Has an objective, truthful history yet been written, or translated into English? His take on the period is the conventional demonic one, (that we in the West also hear repeatedly), that blatantly claims nothing but wanton German misbehavior. DuPrel and other wartime German authors painted a different picture, of course. I have yet to see a modern, objective account of what really transpired during that period.

What happened to the Polish population from the Corridor and the Warthe district when they were relocated? How was that handled, especially in comparison to the murderous brutality that happened to the German eastern population in 1945-49? How intransigent and hostile were different classes of the Polish population to German rule, and how was this countered by Kozlowski and Hans Frank? How much partisan warfare did the Poles really conduct, and how did the Germans actually deal with it? What part did the Polish Blue Police play in daily affairs? There are a lot of questions about this historical period that need to be honestly answered.

Repe

November 17, 2013 at 5:11 am

Recommendable reading:

http://www.swg-hamburg.de/Archiv/Beitrage_aus_der_Rubrik_-_Buch/1Grosste_Zumutung.pdf

Just a one example. I think that this guy has no evidence of any alleged crimes of the germans. This guy is a liar. No killings of the civilians for no reason. Not in 1939 and not after the Varsova uprising. Der Grosse Wendig says that after the fighting the germans treated the prisoners correctly (in spite of that the poles had broke every rule of the international law and rules for fighting (Haag 1908 etc.)

This man [Zychowicz] says that the germans did kill millions of the Poles. This article tells the truth:

http://www.jungefreiheit.de/Single-News-Display-mit-Komm.154+M57008a60593.0.html

The Poles themselves killed a very big part of these victims!

Funny thing: The man [PZ] says that You cannot trust the archives of the Germans. He thinks that everyone is a liar. However he relies heavily on the archives of the Poland (in spite of the era of the communists and the influence of the freemasons and the treacherous West).

I think this man is dishonest. It seems that he allows himself every lie that comes to his head. In the same way the Poles can do whatever they want and kill the german civlians 1939- and still they are innocent and the Germans and Hitler are the criminals without any proof.

Beck wanted the war and mobilized the troops. He did whatever he could to provoke the Germans and he promised to the French that Poland will force Germany to war.

Carolyn

November 17, 2013 at 9:19 am

Repe, you wrote:

Funny thing: The man says that You cannot trust the archives of the Germans.

No, he did not. I am the one who said that. Piotr asked me “You don’t trust the German archives either?” after I said I wouldn’t trust the Polish national historical archives. I answered, No.

You are right that he didn’t come up with any evidence for these crimes. He said Poles are buried in mass graves all over Poland, murdered by the “Nazis”. This is not true; I don’t know of any. Mass graves have been found, like around Marienberg/Marbork, filled with Germans! And it is not disputed that they are Germans – men, women and children. An article I wrote is here: http://carolynyeager.net/search-wwii-mass-graves. This article has 13,546 reads on my website. As important as it is, it should have more.

Carolyn

November 17, 2013 at 9:41 am

From weichseler:

I have yet to see a modern, objective account of what really transpired during that period.

Neither the German nor the American, British, Russian historians are going to tell the truth about it. The storyline has been set in stone, for political reasons. However, what Zychowicz is doing is at least making a start, but with Polish interests in mind. For our part, we need hard-working young historians who will dig out dependable documents showing what really happened in Poland (and didn’t happen). Where are they?

Carolyn

November 17, 2013 at 10:34 am

Repe – Thanks for your links.

You linked to the Jungefreiheit article in which the writer recommends Alfred Schickel. Hasso Castrup has translated into English a long paper by Dr. Alfred Schickel at his blog, Shoabloger. It deals with events leading up to the invasion; what we need is more during and after the war in Poland.

Hasso’s translation of the interview between Karnowski and Zychowicz is what led me to do this program.

Markus

November 17, 2013 at 10:37 am

Carolyn,

I haven’t even checked the claim Piotre made on the German-Northern Russian, Polish-Ukraine, Japanese-Siberia solution and went by heart on my reaction to it as a reasonable solution.

As you know, I have been looking for evidence for Generalplan Ost lately that Piotre also cites. I couldn’t find any evidence that such a plan even existed. (John de Nugent, who I contacted, told me the same). And what evidence exists that Hitler wanted to conquer India? As far as I know, Hitler stated that Germany wasn’t capable of what the British are.

Thinking about Generalplan Ost, it’s probably another “Katyn false flag”, where the Bolsheviks actually had plans to send Eastern Europeans to Siberia. Piotre mentioned that the Comzis indeed deported large numbers of Poles to Siberia.

Carolyn

November 17, 2013 at 10:51 am

Goldstein: I don’t want to be cruel, but what cultural-scientific contributions has Poland given to the world?

Poland claims Nicholas Copernicus, but he was a German by birth. His parents were living in Polish territory, but they spoke German and raised him in same manner. Therefore, this brilliant man did not have Polish blood. I have argued this with Poles in the past, and they are very stubborn on it.

What bothers me most about Poles is that they really do want to rewrite history, and they have! They will cooperate with anyone who cooperates with them in this history-creation-and-rewriting. Honest history is, imo, our most important concern after the destruction of White majorities in our White homelands. What makes it difficult (touchy) is that Peter Zychowicz is on our side in so many areas and we don’t want to disturb that.

Tanstaafl

November 17, 2013 at 1:40 pm

A TANGLED WEB – Polish-Jewish Relations in Wartime Northeastern Poland and the Aftermath is from a pro-Polish/anti-jew perspective.

p31:

The notion that the Home Army could integrate the Jews who escaped to the forest or take them their wings, as some Jewish historians suggest, must be dismissed as highly unrealistic in the context of the Polish-Soviet struggle for supremacy that was unfolding in this region. The Home Army was a military organization, not a social relief agency, and it only accepted trusted armed fighters. As Prekerowa points out, the natural allies of the Jewish fugitives were the Soviet partisans in Eastern Poland and the Communist underground in central Poland, and not the Home Army which supported the Polish government exiled in London and fought for the integrity of Poland’s statehood and prewar territory.

p32:

Because of the warm reception given by a large part of the Jewish population to the invading Soviet Army, and the many instances of collaboration with the new regime to the detriment of Poles in the years 1939–1941, the Home Army in this area was extremely leery of accepting local Jews into its ranks unless their credentials were impeccable. They simply did not trust the local Jews because they believed that they were more inclined to support Soviet rather than Polish interests.1 Unfortunately, this assessment proved to be accurate in very many cases.

p33:

The Jews hiding in the forests, whether as partisans or forest dwellers, were preoccupied not with fighting the Germans but almost exclusively with their own survival. They dispatched an endless flow of armed groups into the villages to seize food and other belongings from the villagers. In these undertakings, they enjoyed the protection of those Jews who had been accepted into Soviet partisan units and were engaged in similar raids. These so-called “economic” operations or missions assumed massive proportions,1 resulting in many skirmishes with the impoverished villagers who increasingly resented and opposed the systematic stripping of most of their possessions.

A Jewish woman who joined the Soviet partisans, after escaping from the Głębokie ghetto with the aid of a Polish farmer, reported that the partisans’ wrath was directed primarily against the local population because of their alleged collaboration with the Germans.

We killed mercilessly. We killed. We used to go into villages where we knew that the people collaborated with the Germans. We used to kill them indiscriminately. We killed off an awful lot of people we knew that were against the Jews. My brother was the leader, he was very good at it … We used to go into villages. We used to find out where they lived, and we pulled them out one by one, and we killed them.

p36:

Some Jewish partisans who engaged in sabotage against the Germans coldly calculated the consequences of their actions for themselves and for their Christian neighbours—the proverbial “other,” and the latter inevitably lost out.

JoshuaF

November 17, 2013 at 4:04 pm

Interesting to hear a Polish view. I would have liked to hear something or more about the Danzig massacres such as the Bromberg massacre. The Germans must have found and documented atrocious barbarity by (whom? Poles or Jews?) Were the massacres not the most important factor in Germany’s urgent attack, ie to stop them? Also, were there reprisals?

As for Churchill, he hangs himself by his own words and reveals his own criminality with the following:- re the Katyn Forest grave sites.
From Churchill’s Vol. 5 “The Second World War” at Appendix C.
Prime Minister Memo 30 Jan 1944 to Foreign Secretary,
“I think Sir Owen O’Malley should be asked very secretly to express his opinion on the Katyn Wood inquiry. How does the argument about the length of time the birch trees had grown over the graves fit in with this new tale ? Did anybody look at the birch trees ?”
He must have been very confident that information about the real perpetrators would ever leak out!

No mention by the way, of any Holocau$t in those 6 volumes, last one published 1952!

Markus

November 17, 2013 at 6:07 pm

Carolyn,
You asked what happened after 1945 in Poland.

Marcel Reich-Ranicki, a Prussian born Jew who became some sort of Polish diplomat in London after in the 1940′s, was responsible for atrocities against Germans and also helped British exile-Poles sent back to Poland to hand them over to the Soviets.

Reich-Ranicki later became VERY prominent in the BRD and celebrated as “literature-pope”. He recently died with spectacular media attention.

Here is what he replied in the 1990′s to accusations to him being a war criminal.

http://www.mechtersheimer.de/?p=14

„Man kann nicht erwarten, daß ich in der Autobiographie die volle Wahrheit preisgebe. Lessing sagt, die Wahrheit liege in Gottes Hand.“

“You can’t expect that I reveal the whole truth in my autobiography. Lessing says the truth is in God’s hand”. (Lessing was Ranicki’s cover name in London)

„Was geht es denn die Deutschen an, was ich in polnischen Diensten getan habe?“

“It is not of any German’s business what I did in the Polish secret police”.

Carolyn

November 17, 2013 at 7:18 pm

Marcus – I think I said I wanted to know what happened after 1939. During the time all these Poles were supposedly being murdered by the German occupiers. Which I don’t believe, and that is why I want to know. All we have are lies.