Saturday Afternoon: Movement Madness
Dec. 14, 2013
Carolyn reveals some sensitive, hitherto undisclosed information about White Nationalist personality Rodney Martin that just came to her attention. It addresses his fairly long professional association with American Indian affairs in Arizona and California, both as a Commissioner of Indian Affairs and as Tule River Tribal Council Administrator (see link at bottom), and the fact that his wife, and mother of his five children, is an “Eastern Cherokee” Native American. The Tule River Tribe owns a casino and deals in large amounts of money. Rodney’s position was taken over by a Jew Sam Cohen in late 2009. Rodney was able to retire permanently at that time, before he was 40 years old.
Mike and Donn called in. Carolyn finished out the program addressing the stepped-up joint pressure by Jews and Israel to force Germany to “turn over” the contents of its art museums for looting by the Jews in the name of the despicable “HoloCost victims.”
Image: Rodney Martin being interviewed in 2007. Taken from the Porterville Recorder: http://www.recorderonline.com/article_1751b76b-c201-5edb-b538-1d6bb01d1f64.html
Category
Art News, Germany, Race, Saturday Afternoon podcast, White NationalismBookmark/Search this post with
- 806 reads
Comments
Original comments on this program
50 Responses
Edward
December 14, 2013 at 5:38 pm
I left a comment calling out Rodney Martin out on this site for attacking White folk, calling us losers and such, his rant was very offensive to me, kind of like when I hear JEWS; or elitist Whites call other Whites, white trash, and this was before I even knew who Rodney Martin was.
Carolyn very quickly reprimanded me and asked me: what have you done; basically belittling my observation in a very condescending way. It looks as if maybe I was on too something.
Burt
December 14, 2013 at 5:51 pm
I have enjoyed listening to Rodney Martin on Deanna Spingola’s show, RBN. I thought he brought a considerable level of detail to what he was saying. It seemed to me that Rodney was trying to build something good, based around a clarification of history. But, maybe there are gaping problems, as you explain. One thing that does bother me about his appearances on Spingola, though, is the way he announces the breaks, and that he’ll continue on the other side of the break. It may seem a small matter, but it’s not his place to say “okay the break’s coming up, and we’ll pick it up again on the other side”. That fits the pattern of an exaggerated sense of self. Also if he’s publicly against intermarriage with other races and intermarries himself, well that’s pretty bad. I guess we’re all so starved for truthful looks at history, that pretty much anyone who steps into the breach is seen favorably, at least at first. As for the oral history, it is a shame if he wasted his exposure to Kriessmann (R.I.P.) by talking himself!
Charles
December 14, 2013 at 5:58 pm
Carolyn,
I found your analysis of Rodney Martin’s character in terms of his being a “big tent philosophy” politician and in terms of his false promises, lack of honesty, and miscegenation (Rodney Martin’s own declared “unforgivable sin”) was really wonderfully clear and well-documented.
I like too your questioning of these self-assumed “leaders” (John Friend included) since it promotes a more clarifying boundary as to what is the White movement (or better, White Network), what values truly are a part of it, and who best represents those values. While we have no leaders, your questioning seems to me to be a necessary prelude to such a circumstance.
I was particularly fond of your comment that the people who are most against in-fighting between personalities in this alternative movement are the very people who don’t want any revelations made about themselves.
Lastly, thank you for your compassionate understanding of the pressure Germany is having to face with the two ugly (Jewish) bullies of the NWO in regard to its fine art: U.S. and Israel. You made it clear that these Jewish claims about “Nazi thefts” of art have no basis, contain no evidence, and is another attempt to get something for nothing by bulling and shaming.
I agree with Don that you are, if not THE, then a major, moral compass of the White people movement. I liked that he said that. You do deserve such an encomium.
VKC
December 14, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Hmmm, interesting that Mr Martin attacked me as a “multiculturalist” with an “agenda” in other posts here on your site, Carolyn, when I have no children at all (and do not intend to have any)…while his many children are mixed race.
Carolyn
December 14, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Burt – listen to that so-called “oral history” with W.L. Kriessmann for yourself and you will see. It is on his website, although it is hard to find anything on there.
I just listened to Rod’s “immediate rebuttal” program at ANN (he should have given himself a little time to think about it!) and have to say that I now consider him a total fraud and liar. What I will say to you here is that every word I quoted from my friend Willi is the absolute truth. I have too high a regard for him to lie about what he said, to misrepresent him. If he sent some emails to Rodney afterward, it would have been in reply to what Rodney sent to him. I have made it plain that Willi was a complete gentleman and a kind person (but still he liked me, haha), and he enjoyed corresponding with people, up to a point. I wouldn’t put it past Rodney to make some emails up.
Carolyn
December 14, 2013 at 8:21 pm
Thank you, Charles, for finding my program clear and well-documented. Your term “White Network” really is better than White Movement or even White Nationalism. I’m impressed!
I’m going to have to answer some of what RM said in his program of today. I don’t think it rings true at all, but still …
To come up with the story that a black and a jew were sabotaging the articles, and they were “immediately removed” from the paper is just wild. In the first place, it was not actually removed as I thought and said; it was just a little difficult to get to. After all, it’s from 2007.
But, if anyone just goes to the search window/function at the top right of a Porterville Recorder page and types in “new tribal administrator makes his mark on reservation,” it will come up. Click on the “result” and you have that page. Rodney has made up a complete fabrication about that newspaper. He is very quick to come up with answers, but unfortunately for him, they don’t wash. Why would a friendly reporter named Anita Stackhouse-Hite want to add a nasty lie about Rodney’s wife??! Anita Stackhouse-Hite continued to be the same reporter who wrote many follow-up articles about Rodney and the Tula River Tribe. She wasn’t fired!
If you type Rodney Martin into the search window, you will find 10 pages of results! Rodney was in that paper all the time. Here is an article written by Rodney himself in 2008: http://www.recorderonline.com/voices-from-the-valley-tule-river-tribe-city-setting-the/article_c71db4ed-c3f2-598d-9039-83615929fad1.html
This will keep people busy for awhile while I prepare a proper response to the wide range of untruths RM told on his podcast.
Charles
December 14, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Carolyn,
I listened to Rodney Martin’s response to your podcast here, and he, first and last, was totally willing to — and did — argue with a string of ad hominems, which, for me, did little to help me understand his complaint since the issue of honesty and broken promises cannot be addressed by ridicule, sneers, caricature, and the like. He doesn’t realize how small an intellect he displays by these tactics. Only facts and logical claims are pertinent. The rest is truly gossip and irrelevant.
However, Rodney’s one indubitably clear response to the claim that his wife is a squaw is that she is a red-headed woman, gorgeous, Aryan, with a father and a brother who were racialist to such a degree they were imprisoned for it.
He claims to have published a photograph of his wife at one time on his website but then later took it down. He, thoughtfully and protectively, I thought, never published any photos of his children, so he wants everyone to understand his children are not mixed.
He also claims that the Porterville Recorder was known in his locale as the Porterville Distorter, but that’s neither here nor there. He wants everyone to understand that the articles you cited contained false info and that you “ought to” have known this for that is the very reason why the articles were pulled in the first place. Moral opprobrium can only apply if the Porterville Recorder published an apology that its sources for such articles could not be verified and you, the journalist, disregarded such a notice. That did not happen.
The only fact that really was posited and turned out to be incorrect was the one published by the Porterville Recorder about his wife’s ethnicity and then was inadvertently repeated because it was relied upon by someone seeking facts nowhere to be obtained.
The Rodney Martin response was done much in the style of a politician and that was another assertion, Carolyn, Rodney Martin could not evade or deny. He is, indeed, a politician at heart.
Will Williams
December 14, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Huh? Carolyn, I don’t recall ever corresponding with Rodney Martin. I listened a while back to most of his star struck interview with Tubby Covington, a show that included an interview with Dr. Kevin MacDonald, who, apparently, will grant an interview to anyone who asks him.
Here’s a short audio clip a friend made of Covington speaking at the end of that chat: http://tindeck.com/review?id=xurg “Come one, come all, come home” — yapping about his Big Tent for migrants in the imaginary Northwest Republic.
I’ll listen to your show tomorrow, then try to find and listen to this one where Martin apparently says I corresponded with him, then get back to you. The fact he is a fan of Covington tells me he has little regard for the truth.
I did aim a comment at Martin just this afternoon in a string following Kyle Hunt’s fine article, here: http://www.dailystormer.com/white-americans-are-being-targeted-for-extermination/ But he can’t be referring to that because it still sits in the moderation queue. He had taken a cheap shot at our mutual friend Hadding Scott in a comment, so I came to Hadding’s defense and rebuked Martin for legitimizing the fraud.
Yeah, I still like you Carolyn, but let’s not get too saccharine and blow my cover with the “complete gentleman” stuff.
Will Williams
December 14, 2013 at 9:18 pm
Woops! That audio file is from one of Covington’s shows where the message was “Christ will save us.” Here’s his other Big Tent audio file — I think — from the Rodney Martin interview: http://tindeck.com/listen/glta
JohnM
December 14, 2013 at 9:57 pm
So dear old Rodney is into miscegenation, a Cherokee too. My alarm bells started to ring when Rodders went back to the warm embrace of Mark Weber, after he fully understood what Weber was doing at the IHR, taking donations off good hearted folks, to keep his pay checks coming.
Rodney is a flim-flam-man, probably an egotist and narrsasist. He shares with Weber now the titles of fraud and liar. Finding that news article on him working with the Arizona indian’s was priceless. As Don so rightly said, beware of people who always toot their own horn.
Rodney is a flawed character, just like his born again new buddy Mark Weber, as you rightly call a coward, lacks honor, and is also a flawed character, looks like Martin and Weber are birds of a feather.
Carolyn
December 14, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Dear Will,
I like you too, but I think you’ve gotten yourself mixed up with my remarks about Willi Kriessmann. Is that possible?
VKC
December 14, 2013 at 10:42 pm
Carolyn,
Did this link just go down today?
https://twitter.com/rodney4council
JohnM wrote, “Rodney is a flim-flam-man, probably an egotist and narrsasist. He shares with Weber now the titles of fraud and liar.”
Interesting observation, especially in the light of this tirade directed at me:
“He did NOT have the same opinion of blacks as Veronica, his comments regarding the mulatto offspring of French Moroccan troops in the Ruhr is an example and his description of “nigger musik” is another. Simply put, Veronica’s statement that Hitler’s speech codifies her “Black Nazi” narrative, is intellectually dishonest and doesn’t stand up to historical fact. Frankly anyone who states they are a proud supporter of the SPLC (as Veronica has) simply is NOT credible on any aspect of the Third Reich, it is liking asking a Jew about the Holocaust Fraud.”
How does Mr Martin know what my opinion of blacks is? I have never discussed any such views anywhere on the Internet or with anyone who knows him. And since he has not read a single book of mine, his opinion of my research in this regard is moot. While Hitler opposed the use of black and Asian troops in the Rhineland, he also met Dr S. J. Wright and gave him an autographed photo of himself. He even told him to stop by next time he visited Munich. Wright was an African American. I investigated this obscure story for “Black Nazis”. There are other things about Hitler that are virtually unknown, such as his admiration for Paul Robeson and Booker T Washington. This is all in my book, fully sourced.
He then wrote, “Simply put, Veronica’s statement that Hitler’s speech codifies her “Black Nazi” narrative, is intellectually dishonest and doesn’t stand up to historical fact.”
My statement? I simply said, “That there is his admission that Germans are mixed race, not pure race.” This alteration in official NS thinking is supported by A. James Gregor’s essay that was linked by Charles Steiner. One has to read the book to see how this speech fits into the overall thesis.
As for the SPLC, Martin’s statement that, “Frankly anyone who states they are a proud supporter of the SPLC (as Veronica has) simply is NOT credible on any aspect of the Third Reich,…”
This is equivalent to a Jewish person saying that a fascist or white nationalist “simply is NOT credible on any aspect of Zionist history or Israel.” Why not?
The SPLC has nothing to do with my research, which commenced in 2005 (technically in 2003). My thesis was finished and turned in for a grade in 2007. “Black Nazis” (first edition) came out in 2009. My SPLC membership started in 2009.
Burt
December 14, 2013 at 11:07 pm
I’ve heard about ten minutes of the Kriessmann oral history so far, and I have to say it sounds okay. I think it’s more of an interview than an oral history. An oral history is indeed a kind of open mike with promptings. What RM did with WK was more of a conversation. I think RM did more talking than one might expect in order to fill the audience in on some background details. It actually sounds quite intelligent to me. But a couple of times I’ve noticed that WK has to sort of fight his way back into the conversation. I would say that RM overdid his side of it somewhat. But I enjoy his little summaries of aspects of Third Reich life. What I’ve heard so far gives me the impression that they had a good conversation. I wish it were three hours instead of just one. Fortunately you also had some conversations with WK.
Donn
December 14, 2013 at 11:09 pm
I listened to Rodney Martin’s rebuttal show and it was about what I expected anything from him would be…pure anger. Whether defending his wife’s honor or denouncing lazy stupid white people as “cowards” for spending too much time blogging on the Internet and eating nachos, Martin always sounds as though he’s about to explode with anger.
On December 7, Martin denounced “circular firing squads” and now on December 14, one week later, he has threatened to make ugly disclosures about Carolyn and Tan. I’d have thought more highly of him if he’d just remained silent.
With due respect to his wife, who is a non-issue to me, I have always disliked Martin for his own bloated sense of self importance and for his unconcealed contempt for the white people for whom he purports to speak.
The first time I heard Martin he was on someone else’s show, ranting and raving about stupid cowardly white people. He has neither the vision nor the temperament to lead anyone anywhere. You don’t inspire your people by crapping on them.
Will Williams
December 14, 2013 at 11:40 pm
Could be. My Momma used to call me Willi White. I’ve never heard of Kreissmann. But I’d never heard of Roland Freisler either until Martin called you a female one of him. Had to Google that one. Now I know where the TV show The People’s Court, with its parade of Jew judges (Wapner, Koch, Scheindlin) got its name.
I just listened to Rodney Martin’s show about you. I tend to believe his wife isn’t an Indian from what he said, but would like to see her picture. Did he really need 36 minutes to keep repeating his defense and say all the gossipy stuff about you? I had Martin on my mind today from what I saw him write about Hadding and Covington. His association with Covington is the big chink in Martin’s armor, more so that Weber or what the Porterville Distorter wrote about him. He admitted working for some Indian Tribe Committee out of one side of his mouth while yapping about his high ethics and standards out of the other.
Carolyn
December 15, 2013 at 12:33 am
Well Burt, that is your problem. RM told WLK that he (RM) was collecting oral histories and would he please allow him to take his. WLK said alright. He would never have invited RM to his home to have a “conversation” with him. This is just another example of RM’s dishonesty. But all his “oral histories” are the same – Rodney directs every moment of it.
Carolyn
December 15, 2013 at 12:50 am
Will, you must be getting soft. “From what he said?” Is it rational to you that a journalist writing that story would stick that in there about his wife … and it would still be there 5 years later? No retraction? No deletion?
I threw Rodney off by saying on my program that “it appeared there was an attempt to remove that article.” It turns out that was my misunderstanding and that is not so. It’s right there available at the Porterville Recorder for anyone to search and find. Because I said that, Rodney came up with his story about these black and jew troublemakers at the newspaper. Ha! He continued to be written up in, and even writing for, that newspaper for years.
He has never had a picture of himself with his wife on his website. I have looked at it every now and then; there is no place it would even have fit in. He is LYING. Is he going to find a “beautiful redhead” to stand next to in a photograph now? He must have lots of pics of his wife; it wouldn’t be hard to post it, except that he doesn’t want to. And he’s not the type to be protecting his children but to be showing them off! You are so gullible!
Glenn Miller had a family picture with his wife and 5 kids, and showed it proudly. He never hid anything.
Carolyn
December 15, 2013 at 12:58 am
Yes, it did! Some one sent it to me in an email, it worked, I read it all, and added it to the program post. You wrote at 10:42 pm Eastern time and it was already taken down. Has to be by Rodney himself. He is no doubt doing as much damage control as he can right now.
I can tell people that it was from 2012 and the first tweet was thanking the “Latino Pac” for supporting his candidacy. There wasn’t much there but a couple more thank you’s to Latinos. Big deal.
Something more: It shows what a politician (literally) Rodney was in 2012. But he’s campaigning on Christian values, not on White racial values. He said so. He’s untrustworthy, in that case.
Carolyn
December 15, 2013 at 1:09 am
The SPLC is a terrible, actually evil organization with millions of dollars to spend on suing and tormenting white people. It is, as you must know V, run by and staffed with jews. You don’t like jews so how is it you can be a member of such a totally jew org? Do you just enjoy waving a red flag in front of people?
I don’t know if I can allow you to comment here as a member of the SPLC. Our one main rule is that commentors be White. Can you vouch that you are 100% White?
VKC
December 15, 2013 at 2:40 am
“You don’t like jews so how is it you can be a member of such a totally jew org? Do you just enjoy waving a red flag in front of people?”
Red flag? I’m unsure what you’re suggesting here. If one donates to them, then one is automatically sent a membership card. Thus membership does not entail any activism or even direct involvement.
“I don’t know if I can allow you to comment here as a member of the SPLC.”
I’m okay with that. I’ve said my piece. I appreciate that you allowed me to defend my thesis here. I’m not sure why Mr Martin jumped in against me, as I had never even heard of him until he was suddenly a guest on Deanna’s show. I have nothing against the man, though I did think he was rude and incorrect in his attacks on my work.
“Our one main rule is that commentors be White. Can you vouch that you are 100% White?”
As far as I know, Carolyn, I am 100% European. (I prefer to say European, not white.) I am a direct descendent of Heinrich der Vogler (Henry the Fowler): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_the_Fowler. As you pointed out in another comment thread, I am also 1/4 Slavic (Polish).
John Smith
December 15, 2013 at 7:55 am
I contacted the loser Martin, & he claims this is a pic of he & his wife
http://nebula.wsimg.com/6fa6504dc50e517f5b1f14e3627ecc7a?AccessKeyId=7CE4E89C302C8E0C9B1D&disposition=0&alloworigin=1
via http://www.ana-ann.com/
I do not know if this is true or not, not sure I really care, but that woman is not red headed aryan w/ blue eyes & could easily be largely america’s indian
I am 5’10″ blonde hair & blue eyes small nose. the thing that increasing bothers me a/t this movement is why don’t I ever see anyone with blonde hair & blue eyes. are there any token Blonde Blues allowed? the closest I have seen is Kyle Hunt.
the interesting thing a/t this is how these cases always go down the same way & we did quite a # @ #anonymous
1 Anatomy of a failure
2 The butthurt commences
3 Screenshots
4 External Links
Part 1) This all comes from the description of loser’s own book, blog, resume etc. and, as such, is total lies, created in order to sell moar papers. This has led some to speculate that loser must be of Jewish ancestry.
Part 2) loser immediately takes action. they bawl, cry, whine, hurl insults, make moar false claims. The loser quickly becomes overwhelmed by responses. The loser then goes into lock down & then the loser’s bandwidth is exhausted (internet life). The loser is then Tracked across the reaches of cyberspace by the raiders. loser’s page on the freewebs is then subsequently found & its chatter boxes are used to further troll the loser.
Charles
December 15, 2013 at 9:47 am
“The SPLC is a terrible, actually evil organization with millions of dollars to pend on suing and tormenting white people. It is . . . run by and staffed by with jews.”
Indeed, Carolyn, SPLC is a terrible, evil organization, esp. for White independent thinkers.
http://thezog.wordpress.com/who-controls-the-southern-poverty-law-center/
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/council-of-conservative-citizens
http://www.newswithviews.com/Timothy/baldwin176.htm
Carolyn
December 15, 2013 at 12:36 pm
This is somewhat disingenuous. I have read your words, “I am a PROUD member of the SPLC since 2009.” (my caps) That is waving a red flag. Are you implying that one donation makes you a lifetime member? Certainly I can believe that about such a scumbag, jew organization, but why would you donate to such? You like to stir things up.
Martin jumped in because that’s what he does – everywhere. His aim is to get people to take him seriously. Do you not care that Deanna expresses LOVE and unqualified recommendation for the “work” of her guests with opposing views and goals? You and Rodney are a good example. Does Deanna have a clear pov of her own other than Christian? Deanna actually makes no sense. This is an intelligent observation, not an attack. She keeps people on her side, like yourself and Rodney, by offering them a platform on her program. (BTW, I have brought this up to Deanna personally and do not get what, to me, is a satisfactory answer.)
Thanks for answering and clarifying. But you know, a lot has gone down since 900 AD!
But I believe you. Here’s another question I think you should answer directly. I have seen on “comments” the charge that you are married to a black man, and they even have a name and that he’s a plumber. Here’s you opportunity to set the record straight and put this question to rest once and for all. I will accept what you say.
Markus
December 15, 2013 at 12:38 pm
John,
If that’s Rodney’s wife, she passes as White at first sight. Looks Italian or Portuguese/Brasilian.
She is not red-haired of course and I don’t know if that is Rodney. They also look too young.
As for Veronica, why would you donate to the SPLC?
Carolyn
December 15, 2013 at 12:52 pm
John Smith – I suspect you are a troll yourself, but I will respond to a couple of things you write here.
Rodney Martin said in his “instant rebuttal” podcast that he never called himself an American Nationalist (as I said he did) but only ever a National-Socialist (German variety) and that was his only “world view.” You send this link to http://ana-ann.com, website of his American Nationalist Association and American Nationalist Network, with a group of “radio hosts” most of whom are not National-Socialists. What is Rodney Martin? He wears several faces, making him two or three faced!
I also said he called himself a White Nationalist, which he denied. He has fooled a lot of people, I’m sure, because hangs out at a lot of WN websites with people who DO own that label for themselves, and talks with them about “our Movement” and how it should be run. He also makes a point of emphasizing his White wife and five White children. And says that people who are not 100% Aryan should be kicked out of “our Movement.” National-Socialism did not go to that extreme.
Carolyn
December 15, 2013 at 1:09 pm
Markus – Get with it and stop being a simpleton. That is NOT Rodney and his wife, nor did Rodney say it was.
VKC
December 15, 2013 at 1:41 pm
“Are you implying that one donation makes you a lifetime member?”
If you donate once a year, any amount as far as I know, then you are sent a new membership card.
“Certainly I can believe that about such a scumbag, jew organization, but why would you donate to such? You like to stir things up.”
I support what they do on behalf of immigrant workers and incarcerated teenagers who might otherwise have no one looking out for their best interests here in the States. Here’s one example:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/case-docket/david-et-al-v-signal-international-llc
My view is that if we, as a nation, are going to invite other nationalities here to work, then we can at least treat and pay them fairly. The National Socialists themselves did so:
http://vho.org/tr/2003/3/Witzsch312-321.html
“Do you not care that Deanna expresses LOVE and unqualified recommendation for the “work” of her guests with opposing views and goals?”
This does not bother me, no. She is an amiable and open-minded person and those are rare qualities these days. As far as her stance on things, I get the impression that she is still trying to figure a lot of it out herself. IMHO, the fact that she offers a platform to so many divergent viewpoints and issues is outstanding. No other host/ess does this that I’m aware of.
“I have seen on “comments” the charge that you are married to a black man, and they even have a name and that he’s a plumber. Here’s you opportunity to set the record straight and put this question to rest once and for all. I will accept what you say.”
That’s rich since I’ve never even been married. Not that it’s anyone’s business but I don’t even date. I’m asexual.
Carolyn
December 15, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Thanks for setting the record straight, here where everyone can see it. I take it as the truth about you. These anonymous trolls are a serious problem because lazy and brain-dead people will repeat what they say.
Who invited them? Jews invited them. To compare this with what Nat-Soc’s did for foreign workers is a sham. I thought you were more anti-jewish that you are turning out to be. I don’t remember you answering the question, Are you a National-Socialist? Is the answer to that ‘no’ also?
To host many divergent viewpoints on one’s programs is okay, but to agree with them all, and to call each one an “authority” without questioning them (except for innocent questions like asking their opinion on something) is not. Amiability and open-mindedness are not assets when life and death matters are at stake. She is very easy to fool. RBN is a fool’s paradise. Naturally you’re happy that she doesn’t ever doubt what you say, as are other guests, but she leaves her listeners to figure it all out on their own. She has admitted that it’s irresponsible (my word) of her.
Markus
December 15, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Veronica,
Forced labor on Polish workers required there was work in the first place. The Poles were not tranformed to citizens and weren’t used to replace the German gene pool either.
The presentation of German camps have been widely distorted and I have no doubt that it is the case with Polish workers.
And see this in perspective. Poland established concentration camps in the Corridor for Germans 1919-39.
Germany had full employment by 1936, and so mostly blood kinded workers were hired.
That is totally different from what is going on today, economically and racially.
And the SPLC cover to help children or whatever is pointless. You could have joined another organization that does similar work.
Nemeth
December 15, 2013 at 4:50 pm
The pic from ana-ann is a stock photo. It’s got a watermark on it. http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-photography-mother-father-baby-white-bed-image23700237.
I’d be surprised if Rodney claims that it’s either him or his wife.
VKC
December 15, 2013 at 5:28 pm
“Who invited them? Jews invited them.”
There have been (and still are) plenty of white people (and corporations), none of whom are Jewish, who beg the government for foreign laborers. This goes way back:
http://www.amazon.com/Operation-Wetback-Deportation-Undocumented-Contributions/dp/0313213534
Not to mention that non-Jewish whites go right along with the will of Jewish legislators in Congress, almost without exception. Have they no backbone? Have whites no will of their own? (I suppose not given the record.)
“To compare this with what Nat-Soc’s did for foreign workers is a sham.”
How is it a sham? The Nazis said a lot of things but did lots of other things. What do you, Carolyn, make of Hitler having granted personal clemency to thousands of Jews’ applications to serve in the armed forces?
http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700613587
He also left a lot of Jews in powerful positions. For example, there were several Jewish generals Hitler trusted with entire campaigns. Manstein, according to historian Wolfram Wette, was half Jewish (per Nazi law) via his mother’s line (Lewinski/Levy)–full Jewish per Halacha law:
http://www.amazon.com/Wehrmacht-History-Myth-Reality/dp/0674025776
“I thought you were more anti-jewish that you are turning out to be.”
I thought Hitler was more anti-Jewish than he turned out to be per my research into this matter.
“I don’t remember you answering the question, Are you a National-Socialist? Is the answer to that ‘no’ also?”
I’m apolitical. I am not active in any movement or organization that has political motives. I identify as Paleoliberal in the sense of what its tenets stand for, though I am not active within this ideology. There are tenets of NS that I agree with, but I could never agree with everything it stood for.
“Naturally you’re happy that she doesn’t ever doubt what you say,…”
I am?
I’ve received plenty of detraction on Amazon, AHF, etc. Indeed, I finally caught some flack on AHF, but then they banned me for “uncivil posts”. No idea what those were.
Carolyn
December 15, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Yeh, yeh, yeh. All liberal Jew lovers say that. And it’s true, but how jewish are the corporations? and who has forced all business to think in terms of cutting costs to the bone in order to compete in the jewish cut-throat environment. So these Whites are completely sold out, but to jewish thinking, ideas and power.
It’s a sham. All you’ve got is the armed forces during wartime, or during potential wartime. You moved the subject from foreign workers. You’re mixing two different things. He did this with the military on the recommendation of Generals, etc. who presented the records. You say “thousands.” I think Riggs exaggerates the numbers, as you do. Manstein was probably less than half-Jewish and there was no jewishness in his thinking. Among military types, the military IS their religion and first love. You said several, who are the others? Turns out Milch was not Jewish at all. You will find only two or three.
Your research is really not very good. You are not scholarly, you simply cite sources. You are looking for something – a non-racial Hitler – and when you find something that sort of fits, you make a big deal out of it. But it is good to know that that you “could never agree with everything Nat-Soc stood for. I can tell you that Hitler expected Germans to accept all of it. So you would be out of that circle. Hitler was also very political, so you are out of tune with him.
Markus
December 15, 2013 at 7:44 pm
It’s a shame Veronica distorts the reality.
Her Black Nazi research is very good to a point, but to say Hitler was a multicultural, race doesn’t exist type, is a bit of a stretch.
VKC
December 15, 2013 at 8:03 pm
Since you have never read Rigg’s three books or any of mine, except Krampe’s translation, you’re not in any position to judge our work. But you are certainly entitled to attack it all you wish. Since I’ve never taken the time to read anything you’ve written, I cannot judge your work. I have heard that you exposed Mr Wiesel rather thoroughly, but I’ve never read any of your essays on him so I cannot comment on that either.
As for my being “out of tune” with Hitler, that is irrelevant. I came across Antonio Munoz’s works on the German/Axis military and that was what spawned my interest in this subject in the first place. Hitler sabotaged his many chances at victory and that’s nothing to envy or gloat about IMO.
VKC
December 15, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Markus,
What do you care whether I donate to the SPLC once a year? What does it matter?
I have nothing to say about the replacement of the white gene pool, as I myself have no children. I do not want any. And this is my “fault,” not anyone else’s. I am not about to blame Jews for my lack of desire to have children or get married. It has nothing to do with Jews. No Markus, there is something else at work regarding whites not having children.
The reason I say this is because Eastern Europe and Russia today suffer from the same exact problem and neither is very immigrant friendly. (Eastern Europe also has some of the highest suicide rates in the world.) Furthermore not even the Nazis could get German women to produce to the degree they had hoped for. No Markus, there are other reasons that elude even me.
VKC
December 15, 2013 at 8:13 pm
@Markus
“…Hitler was a multicultural…”
I’ve never said he was.
Carolyn
December 15, 2013 at 8:25 pm
What I have read of yours has the same problem. I have said it before: you consider a few factoids (and or what other authors say) as evidence of something greater in scope than what they demonstrate. That is, your “evidence” is insufficient for your conclusions. In anything of yours I have looked at, there is that same problem. Therefore I don’t want to spend my time reading your books, or Riggs’. Just reading your comments here tells me a great deal. I do appreciate what I’ve learned from you here.
Okay, so for you Hitler is out, Munoz is in. Good to know that. You carry on, you will have many allies. Once again, I appreciate very much the opportunity to learn what you really think. You have evolved, as they say, since your first websites where you were starstruck over AH.
Carolyn
December 15, 2013 at 8:33 pm
Markus, maybe that’s not what she’s saying. She has “evolved” into new ideas. Even the name Veronica does not represent her anymore; she is VKC, or Ace Militant, a sexless (pardon me, asexual) being who is getting closer and closer to a space alien. No wonder she doesn’t relate to AH anymore – he was too much a real man.
She behaves very decently and politely on forums though, which is more than can be said about many others. She has finally answered ALL my questions except for holocaust.
VKC
December 15, 2013 at 8:46 pm
“…a sexless (pardon me, asexual) being who is getting closer and closer to a space alien. No wonder she doesn’t relate to AH anymore – he was too much a real man.”
Perhaps you should read about asexuality before commenting on it as an “expert”, Carolyn:
http://www.asexuality.org/
The majority of asexuals are European/white. And this online community called AVEN is now over 70,000 members strong. I even came across a member who had once frequented Stormfront.
And now we part ways. You see white where I see gray:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iREaM2Bnyu0
Burt
December 15, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Carolyn, I am a bit mystified at what the problem is with Rodney Martin. I’ve spent the day sampling his podcasts and discussions with people, and he seems like a well-informed person who can marshall his facts from history and details about current events. He lets his guests talk, but can make good sense himself when he talks. I don’t see any special problem. Maybe he thinks he’ll have a good effect on Mark Weber. Perhaps his idea of a national association is too ambitious, but somebody has to be too ambitious, right? If he really did marry a part-Cherokee, then given that he is publicly opposed to miscegenation, that would count as hypocrisy, but so far I see only a claim by a Negro reporter to this effect, while Rodney says his wife is German-Irish. The reporter may well have an axe to grind. Maybe Rodney’s overall position or focus is somewhat unclear, but in the miasma we have today, can’t we forgive people for exploring along the lines of American Nationalism vs. White Nationalism vs. National Socialism? Isn’t there a learning curve for us all? I can’t help but think that Rodney’s contribution is worthwhile, and that the same can be said of you. Sorry, I’m just not able to see this one. But please keep up the great work. I look forward to all you will do in 2014.
Carolyn
December 16, 2013 at 12:37 am
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/american-nationalist-network/2013/12/14/world-view-conversations-special-broadcast
Carolyn
December 16, 2013 at 12:38 am
Very true. That’s a good way to put it.
Fredrick Toben
December 16, 2013 at 1:37 am
Interesting, interesting – I see the Talmudic-Marxist-Feminist death dialectic operating here: opposites come together – male & female; female castrates male and and the new asexual androgynous individual emerges.
The life-giving Hegelian dialectic has the opposites creating a new synthesis in the form of new life, the child, which conserves those differences, half of each, within itself, and so on.
Throughout history males have looked for transcendence by castrating themselves and thereby getting rid of bothersome procreation impulses, which is the stuff of life and the actual mystery.
Richard Wagner worked on such themes in his operas, of course among other things. He does not reject the male-female divide as did Nietzsche whose friendship broke down with Wagner after Wagner was informed by of Nietzsche’s homosexuality, which was also his intellectual limitation.
When I hear individuals claim to be asexual, then I worry. Unless there is a physiological reason for it, whether you like it or not, the life-giving impulse, sex, will want to be expressed – so, please, don’t try to fool others by claiming this impulse, this urge is not there within you; or claim that it has been sublimated through drink, drugs, etc. – but that is still accepting that the life-force is still there, whichr emains with us until we die. I call this life force the Godly Force.
Did you notice that when the western world de-criminalised homosexuality, then the Roman Catholic Church saw an emptying of its nunneries and monasteries – and the Rainbow Movement became spiritual!
Carolyn, you are still clarifying issues – fundamental issues – and that is good to see. I knew nothing of Rodney Martin when I appeared on his program – I have learned something now. I try to approach individuals in a detached way so that my prejudices do not hinder an exchange of ideas. When, however, I know something, like Mark Weber being involved in stealing the IHR from Willis Carto and bankrupting Carto in the process, then that is a mortal sin.
By the way, I am going to persuade Peter Hartung to run this post in a newsletter. it is good for the record because it also brings in VKC and her views of life.
Thank you for giving me this opportunity of putting in my bit.
Fredrick
Donn
December 16, 2013 at 7:37 am
Burt:
Very well reasoned and thoughtful position. There is indeed a learning curve for all of us and we are all exploring.
I am far more at odds with someone who contributes to or belongs to the anti-white genocidal SPLC than someone who may have married a part Cherokee.
Carolyn
December 16, 2013 at 11:38 am
Thank you Fredrick, for your valuable ruminations. Maybe you would be on my next panel program on the IHR issue? I think of you as in “European time” but that’s not actually so; in Australia you’re somewhere around 12 hours difference. I’ll be in touch.
VKC
December 17, 2013 at 9:01 pm
Dr Toeben,
May I ask why you (or Mr Hartung) cut and pasted this interview I gave from my old blog, without my knowledge or consent:
http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/newsletters/Newsletter%20690.pdf
Carolyn utterly disagrees with my research and conclusions, especially Black Nazis. Why do you, Dr Toeben, endorse it? I don’t understand this apparent dichotomy.
Carolyn
December 18, 2013 at 12:49 am
From your interview:
“Fortunately Jewish author Bryan Mark Rigg conducted outstanding research in this area and revealed a number of Jewish participants not only in the foundational NS movement (e.g. Emil Maurice) … ”
I am so sick of seeing the example used of this one man who was an early ally and associate of Hitler. Maurice was 1/8 Jewish, having one jewish Great Grandfather. . That means he was 7/8 German (maybe some French?). This was only discovered when he sought to marry and as an SS member had to undergo a racial investigation. I myself would hardly describe him as “a Jew.” He obviously did not identify as a jew. It’s for reasons like this that I disagree with your research and conclusions.
But I thought you said, “Now we part ways.” For the 3rd time
Carolyn
December 18, 2013 at 1:18 am
VKC – I’m now understanding that your affection was never for Adolf Hitler, but always for Blacks and Mexicans. You thought from the start that Hitler, and Germans in general, treated other races better than did the Americans and English. And it’s true. So you’ve been trying to show that Hitler was a nice man, based solely on your empathy for Blacks and Mestizos, and then the Asians too. You want a multicultural world. That’s why you hate White Nationalists.
For that reason, you clearly don’t belong on these pages. I thank you for the opportunity you’ve offered to learn about you and for your (sometimes)frank answers. But an ongoing exchange with you will not be productive from here on. The issue of our desire for a White society is not up for argument. Of course, Fredrick Töben is free to answer you.
P.S. I have not suggested you invented Hitler’s Platterhof speech, but somewhere in these comments you doubted it was authentic (which surprised me).
VKC
December 18, 2013 at 7:01 pm
No, that’s wrong. I never doubted its authenticity here or anywhere else. That was another contributor. The full IfZ citation can be found in BN II.
I wish you well in your work, Carolyn. I mean that. I do not begrudge you or the white movement. I just don’t care to be part of it.
Take care.
(No need to post. Just FYI.)
Carolyn
December 18, 2013 at 8:54 pm
I’ll post it so your statement that you don’t doubt the authenticity of the Platterhof speech can be seen. Don’t know where I saw what I recall seeing, but glad that is cleared up. Thanks again for participating and helping us to understand where you are coming from. Good luck in your mainstream academic career – you seem quite serious about it.