Meltdown for Tanstaafl

You could go on Talkshoe as a stopgap, to avoid missing a beat, until you get another, better arrangement.

Your work is more important than Tan's or anyone else by a mile. Best thing is to take a deep breath and set up your own radio station Carolyn. That way you have control and the WN movement retains it's most important voice. As a free operator you will not to have to worry what anyone else thinks. It does mean you will have to take some time to do the research about how to handle the engineering side of Skype and all that boring technical stuff and the contractual side of the operation which is very tiring and deeply frustrating no doubt, but you are a good researcher and competent and it can be done. WN is an endless series of betrayals, back stabbings, hurt feelings, loss of courage by small men with big megaphones and panic. A lot of panic has been generated by Glenn's recent debacle and see how quickly the rats deserted his ship when the chips were down? FIGHT ON AND DONT GIVE IN! Your radio shows are vital and you do need to do them for the cause. If the show goes down then the movement has lost it's center. I assure you most days I wake up I just want to give up myself but conscience will not let me.

And don't forget the boss is relying on you:

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Sad to see you two break up. I liked you both for different reasons. You were more social and wide-ranging. Tan was focused and brutal intellectually. I really don't understand what happened here. I certainly didn't understand what he was telling us.

A friendly and detached observation: you're probably an extraverted Thinker. (I'm dipping into Aryan psychology of C.G. Jung here.) You guys - and it's mostly men - can be sharp and combative. In the Tarot deck Thinking is represented by Swords. Dissecting. Excellent bullshit detectors. But you can be offputting. My best friend's son is that way and sometimes I think he hates my guts.

(I grinned when she told me the result of his test. I knew that before he even took it. :-) Steve Jobs was exactly the opposite: an extraverted Feeler. They make their way through the world with their feelings like a big wet tongue.)

Tan's probably an introvert. Maybe an intuitive like me; which is why I identify with him so well. We tend to turn on a dime like that. Sorry.

Finally - and once again this is just honest feedback - I am offput by your reaction to Andrew Anglin and the Russians. The Slavs are Aryans. R1a Y-chromosome. They're the ones who swept into India. And if they're not Aryans there's no such thing as an Aryan. And they are VERY White. And they're having babies again! It seems to me you're getting worked into a lather over his position vis-à-vis Putin. Both of your arguments are solid and defensible. And only time will tell. Cut yourselves some slack on this one because it's pretty obvious to me you're both acting out of good faith.

As am I!

Hi Carolyn,

When one door closes, another will open! Only change is the one thing that always remains the same...

Hope you will go on with your radio study hour TT.

Regards,

John

Hi Carolyn! I hope you will be airing programs again soon. My sense is that the pace is good for you, and it is certainly good for others! You attract some of the finest and best people in this field. Your style is perfect for radio, because it isn't over-prepared with written text; and neither is it loose and empty, because your knowledge in numerous areas is quite deep. You know just how to prepare, with the kinds of notes that will result in a good discussion. So keep up the great work.

Fortunately it is technically easier to stream live now than even two years ago. There seem to be turnkey solutions, for managing calls, and having a timed and live program. Consider that you no longer have to pay the "Tan tax". :) We must always think defensively, with back-up plans in case current patterns are disrupted.

I consider you to be a critic and a historian. You may seem to over-criticize here and there, but it keeps people thinking. Critics are necessary and helpful. Saboteurs, whether haphazard or premeditated, are neither. Keep crying in the wilderness, the way gets straighter for your efforts.

This very sudden turn of events has shocked me and I'm sure most other listeners. Leaving us wondering "What the hell happened?" as one day the sun is shinning and the next day a tornado has whipped through the place. I don't want to get into who's right or wrong as I'm sure I don't know all the relevant facts as of yet. What I'd like to say though is that I have very much appreciated all your efforts, just as I have appreciated Tan's efforts. I also hope that you in good time find a way to continue to do your radio broadcasts as I find them educational.

This podcast by Carolyn does a nice job of anticipating both her critiques of others, and her concerns about "White Nationalism".

Predators, etc. from Oct 23, 2012

All of this infighting is depressing, sophmoric and leads to destabilization. This inability to disagree in a dignified way - while moving toward a shared goal is destructive for us.

The 'piece de resistance' is right now, the pasty-faced, droopy-eyed, schemer Abe Foxman, Mark Potok and their staff are rubbing their filthy hands together and crowing "Look at them! We've scored again!" It's this sort of infighting that insures White nationalism stays ineffectual and 'fringe'. VERY sad.

I found that if I wanted to post here I had to verify my email on this site through my email.  Perhaps this is why there are not more posts!  Carolyn you have a very tough exterior exterior but inside you are very sensitive and caring for your people.  We know you for pouring your heart and your soul into these shows and podcasts and it is appreciated.  

This whole thing is very bizarre.  It occurred around the time of the Miller incident which is equally impossible to explain.  I will still enjoy Carolyn's website, however.  

I discovered the White Network about six months ago through a link on Hadding's blog. I read your comment that your work, unlike TAN's, is people-oriented, and I have found that a great strength. It is through you that I have become acquainted with others whose work I have come to admire, such as Drs. Andreas Wesserle and Fredrick Töben. You are a skilled interviewer with a talent for "picking the brains" of others, as your range of knowledge facilitates asking the right questions and allowing others to speak freely.

I find it very sad that this has happened. It seems to me that others have oversimplified or otherwise misrepresented your views, since it seems to me that what you are trying to do is respond thoughtfully to current events, which reflect political Pan-Slavism, national-bolshevism, and Eurasianism. It also seems to me that some animosity may be misattributed to you, since this controversy emerged very soon after your Table Talks Study Hour covered material concerning Slavs.

For my part, I am intrigued and interested by what Dr. Wesserle called for---a dialectic emerging, synthesizing the earthy, agrarian slavic worldview with the more technological, urban culture of western Europe (perhaps most strongly represented by England and the Low Countries). Dr. Wesserle indicated that the Germans, in their history, achieved such a synthesis in the historic eastward expansion of the Germanic cultural area.

Shortly after listening to your Table Talk broadcast that addressed the sorry state of the Ukraine, and the German ambition to turn the country in a breadbasket and give the Slavs manufactured goods in exchange, I watched a documentary that struck me deeply: The English Surgeon (2007). It concerns a British humanitarian neurosurgeon who has dedicated much of his life over the past two decades to serving the Ukrainian people, and advocating for reform of the Ukrainian state's broken healthcare system. I eagerly recommend the film. It is shocking just how the Ukrainians live, and although much can be blamed on the collapse of the Soviet Union, we also have to wonder about the people themselves, the cultural (and biological) traits that have shaped them and have contributed to such failure.

I wish you all the best, Carolyn, and I will be following your future work with the utmost interest.

I already sent you an email expressing both my shock and regret that things had come to this, and just hoping you were ok. After a few days now, it's great to stop here and see you are doing just fine :) I cannot for the life of me understand what Tan has done here, and I think it's bloody awful. I know the site was just gaining more and more listeners all the time, it's madness for him to have taken it down with no warning to you at all, I mean, wtf??

Anyways, it's just lovely to see all the wellwishers here, and I would agree with *endzog's* comments in pressing upon you how much you are appreciated. You are a gem Carolyn, and I am beginning to suspect this move didn't really have that much to do with you at all ;(. Something else is afoot, and John touched on it. So---here's to a new beginning! Long Live Carolyn!

I clicked on your site yesterday, planning to listen to your Saturday Afternoon show, and was shocked to read about what had happened.

Afterwards I listened to your April 12 broadcast that supposedly triggered Tan's meltdown, and read and listened to his justifications--which was basically a waste of time, as the bottom line is that there is no justification for his underhanded behavior; it is not that of an honorable person.

He clearly had no clue how badly his actions would reflect on him. And to blame you for not keeping the site up after he shut you out of it--that's Chutzpah!

I hope you're back on air soon Carolyn.

To get around the debate of Who is White, or What is White Nationalism, why not go back to what worked in the recent past? Each European nation could limit citizenship to those with ancestors there. For example, you couldn't become an Italian citizen unless your grandparents were Italian. Japan has such a policy. For the US, reenact pre-1965 immigration laws. Then encourage those that immigrated after 1965 to return to China, India, Mexico, etc. Same would work for Canada and Australia. This would be a concrete, achievable goal, easily understood by the average White person.

" I have decided, without consulting with or seeking Carolyn Yeager's consent, that The White Network will no longer be used to record or broadcast any new programs. There will be no further posts or comments. "

-Tanstaafl 04-15-2014

Ironic this was posted on something called Age of Treason

Like everyone else I am shocked and saddened by recent events. I really cannot understand why Tanstaafl did not choose to speak with you privately before taking such drastic and ill-thought-out action. One can only assume Tan was looking for a way out and the content of some of your recent broadcasts were the excuse he needed.

I'm looking forward to the Heretics Hour coming back online soon.

Whitemanmarch.com is gone the day after Chris Borsella & Rodney Martin's attack program against Kyle Hunt.

The Germanic and Slavic worlds meet in central Europe. The British-American world has no clear picture of it, since they are not directly affected by the differences. Germany has always been the buffer to the Slavic and by extension Asiatic worlds. 

The struggle can be compared to French-British bickering over colonies. Even if Hitler planned settling Germans in Russia, this cannot be compared to Britain conquering France proper, but rather an exchange of certain colonies in America for example. 

Russia is a meta-continent. Even if all Russians were to be relocated to East of the Urals as claimed, these 150 mio Russians would still occupy the largest land mass on earth as their own country. 

Carolyn - only just found this thread. You do great stuff on NS and WW2 and stemming the tide of propaganda. I hope you carry on doing that.

Taanstafel is a strange person and his writings are the expression of a strange mind. There is nothing you can quite put your finger on, but there is something murkey about it.   

I've been reading Tanstaafl for long enough that this whole thing doesn't surprise me at all.
 
I've been polite with him, and open to his arguments, and I think I generally see where he's coming from and why.  That doesn't mean I agree with him on all or even most points, and this whole affair is a good example of why.
 
In how he handles certain situations, he really does remind me of the late unlamented Larry.  

He had a very strong tendency to view evidence through the lens of the assumptions he was starting from, and would violently reject anything that contradicted those assumptions.  He would read meanings into statements that often were the exact opposite of the plain literal truth of the statements.  In Tanstaafl's reaction to your comments on this issue, and in his reactions to others (Chechar is one that sprints to mind) I've seen exactly this same behavior.
 
There have been times when he does point out underlying assumptions and premises in the statements of the people he's criticizing that are worth calling out and illustrating in the light of day.  However when one looks for hidden meanings everywhere one starts seeing mirages.